found the picture
my own late deceased lovely wife Andrea took it,
I have seen Ray put those leathers on over a full three piece suit, shirt and tie, they were not even tight.
he is one of very few ILOC members that I know of who can have a disagreement (even a serious one) with me and bear absolutley no ongoing grudge whatever, he and I were committee members of ILOC at the same time. Ray was later chairman.
CLEM