750 exhaust studs, nuts and washers

I’ve done them up tight, but not too tight. I wonder if anyone has ever put longer studs in and then put a brass half nut on after the main nut to act as a lock.
Why re-invent the wheel?

If the exhaust system is in order and the correct gaskets are used, there's simply no need for such measures. Important to nip up the nuts after a few hours of running when new gaskets have been installed.

Stainless steel or titanium nuts can also be used, don't forget the copper or ceramic paste though.

piet
 
Why re-invent the wheel?
I guess it’s having trawled the forum there are some who say the nuts come loose in particularl if the exhaust system has no cross over. Maybe it’s a vibe thing, poor setup making for more. Back in the 80’s I went from the OE system with massive under bike crossover to a 2 into 1 system. I don’t recall every experiencing the rose bolts coming loose. The SF1 which is mobile has a crossover under the bike, between header and.silencer, smaller than OE and is solid in its mounting. The GTL is getting a new system that has no crossover. I’ll take yours and Paul’s advice and just be sure to retighten after a few rides. I’ll stick with brass nuts.
Sean
 
I guess it’s having trawled the forum there are some who say the nuts come loose in particularl if the exhaust system has no cross over. Maybe it’s a vibe thing, poor setup making for more. Back in the 80’s I went from the OE system with massive under bike crossover to a 2 into 1 system. I don’t recall every experiencing the rose bolts coming loose. The SF1 which is mobile has a crossover under the bike, between header and.silencer, smaller than OE and is solid in its mounting. The GTL is getting a new system that has no crossover. I’ll take yours and Paul’s advice and just be sure to retighten after a few rides. I’ll stick with brass nuts.
Sean
I shortly tried to do away with the banana box on my SF2. I was tightening the exhaust nuts every hour.
The system is free to grind away the exhaust gaskets, and it does.
The earlier GT or S type systems have a more rigid silencer mounting that takes care of excess mouvement.
Paul
 
i always shake my head at this ongoing concern about exhaust nuts coming loose. MKaybe I've been lucky, but I bought my SF1 in early 1975. The underslung junction box went in about 1976, joint into muffler - no loose nuts - probably travelled 200,000km on that setup including racing a season until I fitted a factory SFC 2/1 ... no loose nuts - probably travelled 100,000km on that. SFC has my own custom 2-1-2 ... no loose nuts, done 9000km ... as I say, maybe I'm just lucky, but I never build SFs with anything other than the spring washer and brass nut.
 
Mine used to constantly come loose on my 3c, so I started regularly nipping them up. Not so easy when you have very big diameter headers, much bigger than standard and therefore very hard to get any kind of 11mm on them. It usually takes the socket end of one of those open-ended one end, and a socket swivel on the other and even then, you're lucky to get 1/8 of a turn before something blocks its swing. I stopped after bending my set of Reds billet exhaust flanges. They are now bent back to flat, lately, they stopped loosening, and I have no idea why. Seen people have exhaust flanges come completely off on other bikes during long day rides, and some loose brass nuts as well. So never say never. I like Clems lock wire idea but not happening on std length nuts. I am going to do exaty that on my lower clutch cable grub screw nipple on the Atlas but that's going to take making one a touch longer than std.
 
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Seen people have exhaust flanges come completely off on other bikes during long day rides, and some loose brass nuts as well. So never say never.
Yep, it can happen. It happened to me once.

I was heading to Devonport on the Jota to catch the boat to Australia's North Island to go to the 2013 Easter Broadford Bonanza (blimey, has it been 12 years?). The nuts vibrated off the centre exhaust flange somewhere along the highway, but I didn't notice the change in exhaust note until I slowed down when coming into a town. The exhaust flange was rattling around down near the 3-1-2 collector and the header had shifted a few mm out from the exhaust port. Obviously the nuts were nowhere to be seen and the gasket was also missing. I normally carry a few M6 nuts and bolts as spares, but I didn't have any M7. There was no chance of finding any M7 nuts in a small country town, so I secured the header as best I could with tie wire, and proceeded to the boat. I was a little concerned that the middle cylinder might run lean and overheat, but that didn't seem to be an issue at all. The bike ran just fine, albeit rather noisily.

Once I got into Melbourne the following morning, I found a hardware shop in the city that had M7 stainless nuts. I still had to find a gasket, so I went around the bike shops looking for something of about the right size. But nobody had anything. So I continued on to Broadford without a gasket, and the bike making a "futt-futt-futt" noise from the exhaust port. I managed to scrounge a gasket from someone in the pits that almost fitted. It was a bit small, so I annealed it and then hammered it down the neck of a Coke bottle to stretch it out to the right diameter. It worked well enough to reduce the exhaust noise.

I subsequently had a few fun track sessions dicing with Tom the Wrecker on his Jota and a couple of other guys on Laverdas. Then a girl on a Suzuki Katana shunted me in the rear as I was slowing down to enter pit lane, which cracked the Redax stainless exhaust can on the right side. That trip was a bit of a tough one for the exhaust system. Nothing I couldn't put right when I got home though.

I now carry spare exhaust stud nuts and gaskets in the tool tray.

That was an eventful trip in another way. I was travelling with my mate Russell who had his Laverda 3CL and a race bike on the back of his ute (pickup truck). On the way to Devonport, at the same time my Jota was shedding exhaust nuts, a front wheel bearing failed on his ute. He limped into Campbell Town with a horrible noise coming from a rather wobbly front wheel. We found a car wrecker's yard that had a similar vehicle that we could scrounge some used parts from (he didn't have any M7 nuts though). But the owner of the yard took forever to retrieve the necessary parts. He kept getting distracted by his mate who was trying to fix something else, and we had to keep steering him back to the wheel bearing job. With all the delays, we had to ignore speed limits for the rest of the way to Devonport (about an hour and a half) and only just made it to the boat a couple of minutes before check-in closed. All part of the fun of road trips.
 
Weird how some seem prone to coming loose without obvious reason whilst others never experience it. In the 70/80s when I was young and skint I reused the original exhaust gaskets several times, but the clamps never came loose. The SF1 I have has different vibe characteristics then the GTL (with SF1 motor) had, wouldn’t be surprised if a motors particular vibration characteristics had a part to play. That GTL-SF1 never lost an exhaust nut, but it lost a couple of engine mounting nuts and a bunch of other stuff fractured due to vibes.
 
I always reuse the exhaust gaskets unless I'm doping a full rebuild - and I rarely need to remove the headers.

I reckon every SF I've ever ridden has different vibe characteristics. some are really smooth, others are abominable. It depends how the factory pout it together initially, but once DPOs have been involved it can be any number of things creating unwanted vibes.
 
for me its one of those "dont allow it to happen" things, as with sump plugs, I wire them! it doesnt matter if needed or not, I wire the sump plugs wheel nuts, caliper bolts and exhaust (extended custom) dome nuts, the six "Ps" perfect preparation prevents piss poor performance. There is enough to go wrong that cannot easilly be prevented, but if you can why not!
CLEM
 
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Good thinking Clem. I guess I've survived on my non-wiring for so long I can't adjust my thinking! Definitely fond of Loctite blue on many nuts on the SFQ.
 
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My 3c has a drilled for lock wire front axle nut, maybe it has a bit of a racing history. According to a note in my original owner's manual, it was owned by Paul Walklay. According to the web, he was the World Superbike Team Suzuki manager for 3 years and recently Cam Donald's suspension bloke. Anyway, the point is you can go buzerk lockwiring stuff, Carb tops to seat bolts if your keen.
 
Get along to a race meeting and have a chat with him. He is sure to remember his Laverda days and would be chuffed to know the bike is still getting used. "I never should have sold it" moment.
 
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