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Engine poppet valves are a simple device, but for some reason, they are widely misunderstood.

There are several dynamic things that can go wrong with valve trains. Valve bounce and valve float are the most commonly mentioned.

Valve bounce is exactly what it sounds like. The valve bounces off its seat momentarily after it closes. The cause can be a closing ramp that's too aggressive, or too little seat pressure from the spring.

Valve float is when the cam follower fails to stay in contact with the cam lobe. This is where the misunderstanding comes in. Most people think it happens as the valve is closing, and the spring can't close the valve quickly enough to keep up with the closing cam lobe.

To illustrate that this is a widely held view, when I googled valve float, the first article that came up stated "Valve float occurs when the valve springs are incapable of holding the valve train against the camshaft lobe after peak lift"

Wikipedia also gets it wrong with "Valve float is an adverse condition which can occur at high engine speeds when the poppet valves in an internal combustion engine valvetrain do not properly follow the closure phase of the cam lobe profile".

The notion that valve float only happens during the closure phase of the valve after peak lift is a fallacy. If it happens at all, it'll begin to happen before peak lift, while the valve is still opening.
The valve train isn't quite as simple as the cam lobe pushing the valve open to its maximum lift, and then the spring taking over to push it shut again.
It's difficult to find a technical article that explains valve float correctly. I know they're out there, so if I find one, I'll post a link.
Failing that, I could explain it myself if anyone is interested. I just didn't want to launch into a technical diatribe that nobody would read.

There's also such a thing as "valve loft", where the valve train components don't lose contact with the cam lobe, but flexing of the components allows the valve lift to profile to differ from the cam profile, sometimes opening the valve further than the max lift of the lobe. This applies to valve trains where flexible parts like rockers are employed.
I actually found an article that explains valve loft and bounce, although it glosses over float:

BTW. Spring bind is more of a dimensional cock-up than a dynamic effect. If a spring is going to bind, it'll happen as soon as you try to turn the engine over and find that it's hard to turn over maximum valve lift (that's if it doesn't stop with a clunk just before max lift). It's not related to engine revs.

If you're getting spring bind happening with a correctly sized spring, then you're already well into valve float territory. In that case, the binding is not the real problem.

You do realize this is a thread about selling an SF project.

Just sayin' ......

Jim

(I miss those old emoticons where the little dude disappeared in a cloud of smoke)
 
A link to this discussion could be put into an ad on Bring a trailer or those other sales webs, so the the buyer is fully informed.
Great explanation Cam, it is all dynamic. I recently mentioned measuring static compression ratio (by measuring combustion chamber volume) with an engineer recently who then got into the dynamic aspect. It brings to mind a visit to Undara lava tubes in far north Queensland. Before explaining the geology of the area she asked if there were any geologists among the group who would have to please bear with her over simplified explanation instead of interrupting.
 
A link to this discussion could be put into an ad on Bring a trailer or those other sales webs, so the the buyer is fully informed.
Great explanation Cam, it is all dynamic. I recently mentioned measuring static compression ratio (by measuring combustion chamber volume) with an engineer recently who then got into the dynamic aspect. It brings to mind a visit to Undara lava tubes in far north Queensland. Before explaining the geology of the area she asked if there were any geologists among the group who would have to please bear with her over simplified explanation instead of interrupting.

Just want you to know that post is very, very funny! The Undara lava tubes may also agree.
 
I guess you’ve had no takers so far Kristian. Any adjustment to the price to entice some more interest?
BTW anybody on this forum buy, or know who bought, the 3 ‘barn find’ 750s in the UK for around the price of one?
 
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