Ambition exceeding Talent
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78jotadave
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Nurburgring, it looks like a friggin nightmare to me, and you have to pay money to ride with all those four wheelers. I would rather take my chances on the 405 during rush hour, just saying! Do they ever have a time when it is only 2 wheelers on the track? 
Spyder31 said:I previously had an ambition to do a few laps of the ring but after seeing that I have changed my mind :
The N?rburgring is a very technical and challenging track... and loads of fun!
After close to 200 laps, I still cannot claim I "know" my way around there. Not many curves/corners allow more than one line, you need to be fully concentrated all the way. Quite a few surprises for newbies, they get caught out quite often.
Imo, it has become far too dangerous to ride these days, loads of loonies on both 2 and 4 wheels, I haven't been on the Nordschleife since 1998. I've done a few training sessions on the GP part of the N?rburgring, but this is far less demanding than the Nordschleife, only faster.
Not much use turning up for a few laps at the height of the season, more or less stop'n'go at times. Very early or late season visits yield a lot more enjoyment.
piet
Bigfeesh
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I have done 10 laps or so, enjoyed them all but always sat at the cafe and asked around the riders how the circuit was, watched who was out and then decided to go round or not. Often did not, due to weather, discussions with riders or the fact the circuit had been closed for several days/weekends, therefore full of lunatics that thought they knew where they should be going! One visit after chatting with a silver haired Geezer with skin tight racing leathers on a BMW (of course), he stated " worst conditions I have ever experienced" I ordered another coffee and saved my fuel bill!
The hidden costs of crashing there are astronimical, recovery, barrier repair and the legal side of incidents, overtake only on the left and insurance is normally invalid, all can bite you later too.
The hidden costs of crashing there are astronimical, recovery, barrier repair and the legal side of incidents, overtake only on the left and insurance is normally invalid, all can bite you later too.
Tippie
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That most filmed set of esses looks like it is over a crest. Local knowledge rules, as Piet says. Doesn't tempt me at all when we have empty roads full of corners in our own back yard.
CLEMTOG
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what is wrong with these guys who overshoot, such as at 4.57 and 5.10?
they don't look as though they know what the word "commitment" means,
it 'aint over until it's over, and feels like both wheels are on black ice, fight it, fight it, or taking the easy option? should'nt be there in the first place and what about re-joining the paved surface and not looking for oncomers?
CLEM
they don't look as though they know what the word "commitment" means,
it 'aint over until it's over, and feels like both wheels are on black ice, fight it, fight it, or taking the easy option? should'nt be there in the first place and what about re-joining the paved surface and not looking for oncomers?
CLEM
lavgert
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... no wonder that the Nordschleife is called Gr?ne H?lle/Green Hell!!! Cars and bikes in the same session is another hell.
Ciao, Gert
Ciao, Gert
Jo
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The film at the beginning is still kind of moderate, I also know completely fierce ones. I started driving there over twenty years ago.
Did lots of track sessions, and after that I often took half a day off to deal with a 6 or 12 card.
The sneaky thing about the green hell are the lack of run-off zones and the kind of motorists who consider motorcycles as their enemies.
They have no clue 'bout the room a motrcyclist needs and no respect anyway. When I got my Aprilia in 2004, at some point I had enough
of it and concentrated on other racetracks.
The magic of the true line still helps me on the country roads today though. There are many passages on the N?rburgring that cannot be
reduced to one or two corners, you have to learn to read them. Even after many years of distance, I'm still able to run the course with my
eyes closed mentally.
Cheers
Jo
Did lots of track sessions, and after that I often took half a day off to deal with a 6 or 12 card.
The sneaky thing about the green hell are the lack of run-off zones and the kind of motorists who consider motorcycles as their enemies.
They have no clue 'bout the room a motrcyclist needs and no respect anyway. When I got my Aprilia in 2004, at some point I had enough
of it and concentrated on other racetracks.
The magic of the true line still helps me on the country roads today though. There are many passages on the N?rburgring that cannot be
reduced to one or two corners, you have to learn to read them. Even after many years of distance, I'm still able to run the course with my
eyes closed mentally.
Cheers
Jo
Some great comments from you blokes, I like Clems Piets and Jo especaly.Its bad enough to blow one bend but to rejoin without checking behind and then blow the second,that's nuts. It looks like huge fun except for the close dicing with the take no prisoners Hot Hatch crowd, Thats a no go for this black duck. It good to learn from others dumb riding errors
Tippie said:
The "Adenauer Forst" is perhaps the point where it goes pear-shaped for most. The majority of this film is somewhere else.
Coming up steeply from the "Fuchsr?hre" at about maximum speed after full compression in the bottom dip, you come to a blind crest with a 90? left immediately behind. So surprising for many, they just continue straight ahead, luckily into ample run-off space. Those that try to correct, usually lose it big-time!
Because a lap is so long, many newbies relax too much between corners and lose concentration. Luckily, the hospital in nearby Adenau is well equipped.
piet
There are places similar on the roads we ride, they become notorious and close to population centres get attention, and even big warning signs and even that has no effect on crashs.On long dark nights at club events we all compare war story about these bends. I can remember one ride when a new bloke was there, new leathers and a 800ish 4 valve Ducati, this was the back way to Wakfeild Park race track via Oberon. He was told about the sudden tight bend with only half the road tared and a huge big sign saying exactly that just before it.And that's exactly where he went in hot and ran off and lowsided. Minimum damage to him and bike. BTW that sign was as big as a bus.
Ernesto
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Haha!
Taking shortcuts across the grass, but doing wheelies
immediately after...
Ernesto
Taking shortcuts across the grass, but doing wheelies
immediately after...
Ernesto
Jo
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Ernesto said:
Yepp, having fucked up and disgraced the section totally doesn't hinder, to continue with wheelies and sparking knee grinders - so prioritization for
most of the blokes is definitely on the show portion ...
8)
andre g
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I learned to love the N?rburgring in the 70th when I started with motorsport.
Those times we had endurance/ rallye events with stock bikes. It costs 60 DM for 17 laps/ 400ks, it was a bargain.
One time I came there from home 180 ks, made the endurance and went back home on a Suzuki 250 GT.
The 250 class in that time had about 70 riders and I was happy to finish in the first 15- never won.
Later when I races te Maico Cup I made lots af training laps on the Ring, just putted the registration plate of the Suzuki on the Maico, nobody cares about it.
I love these track because it is very fluent one curve give you the condition for the next. I is essential to know the tricky curves like the Adenauer Forst or the Bergwerk curve. I most like the Pflanzgarten wher you go,downhill, jump over a step and have a fast right which opens over the curbs straight, which you cannot see.....
Today I live a bit too far away and the times of bargain have changed.
Andre
Those times we had endurance/ rallye events with stock bikes. It costs 60 DM for 17 laps/ 400ks, it was a bargain.
One time I came there from home 180 ks, made the endurance and went back home on a Suzuki 250 GT.
The 250 class in that time had about 70 riders and I was happy to finish in the first 15- never won.
Later when I races te Maico Cup I made lots af training laps on the Ring, just putted the registration plate of the Suzuki on the Maico, nobody cares about it.
I love these track because it is very fluent one curve give you the condition for the next. I is essential to know the tricky curves like the Adenauer Forst or the Bergwerk curve. I most like the Pflanzgarten wher you go,downhill, jump over a step and have a fast right which opens over the curbs straight, which you cannot see.....
Today I live a bit too far away and the times of bargain have changed.
Andre
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Tippie
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Great history Andre. We probably all of us have some favourite stretches of corners we strong together to make that poetry.
piranha-bro2
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The one rider (there were others) who really impressed me - but you'd have to say was pushing the friggin' limits!! - was the grey/black (maybe 600?) who passed the big van - he was absolutely flying - and fully committed. Compared to some of the others who took the grass option but were really bloody crawling - a lot of the others, I just wondered why they would want to ride on a closed racetrack when they are so tentative a granny on a Postie bike could hose them!! It just didn't look like they were enjoying themselves.
Dellortoman
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Piranha Brother 2 said:
Yeah, like the guys on Harleys. Why would you bother? :
I supose there is 2 levels of riding, Track where you learn it and know whats coming up MOSTLY and road where there are many more variables. And then you have these HUGE tracks, Isle of Man 26 mikes from memory and here what 12 miles. Everybody always said it took years to come close to learning them and then we have idiots trying for a lap record on there first few tries.