Anyone recall this Laverda

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I have been skimming through some old classic bag mags and came across this Laverda , looks good but as far as im aware didn’t get off the drawing board unless anyone knows different
 

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That is an Aprilia Mill RR with adjustable swing-arm- and headstock-angle position as far as I know that they painted orange, put 2 stickers on and wanted us to believe it is a Laverda.

Sure a nice bike, no relation with Laverda AT ALL except for the color and the stickers.
 
There was a mock up with a real girl.
Paul

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Ooops, sorry, wrong mock up.

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TOMMY666BIKES said:
Yes it said in the article that it was an Aprilia engine , just thought it was interesting and certainly a looker 👍
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not arguing against that. I think though, that if you purchase a Benelli Tre, paint it orange and put Laverda-Stickers on it, there might most probably be more Laverda heritage in it than in this ApriliAVERDA... Just my 2 cents... ;)

I personally see it as a desperate attempt of Aprilia, to continue with the Laverda brand without investing into it. They said that this engine-version would only come as a Laverda, just to bring it out later on as Aprilia. That's not uncommon in the car industry to share parts/engines/styling etc., however, if f.e. BMW would purchase Ducati and stick a boxer engine in an already existing prototype chassis, paint it red and write Ducati on the tank - would that make it a Ducati?? Don't think so... On Guzzi they respected that mostly and continued with engine variants Guzzi already had (the V with the cylinders sticking out on each side of the bike instead of the close angle V-Engine like Aprilia). Why couldn't they just pay the designer of that water cooled triple engine, develop it further or use their experience from racing an inline triple and make up a street version of it? Never made any sense to me what they did and never will...

But hey - I am just the guy that also will never understand why everyone thinks that a bike with a barely clothed lady on or aside a bike is a great thing. Is the bike so ugly that it needs a nice girl to attract my attention? Or is the girl so ugly that it needs a bike that diverts the gaze on that lady?

Why can't one stand alone for itself?? :rolleyes: I like both, but not at the same time. Neither on a pic nor while working on them... 😁
 
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Laverdalothar said:
not arguing against that. I think though, that if you purchase a Benelli Tre, paint it orange and put Laverda-Stickers on it, there might most probably be more Laverda heritage in it than in this ApriliAVERDA... Just my 2 cents... ;)

I personally see it as a desperate attempt of Aprilia, to continue with the Laverda brand without investing into it. They said that this engine-version would only come as a Laverda, just to bring it out later on as Aprilia. That's not uncommon in the car industry to share parts/engines/styling etc., however, if f.e. BMW would purchase Ducati and stick a boxer engine in an already existing prototype chassis, paint it red and write Ducati on the tank - would that make it a Ducati?? Don't think so... On Guzzi they respected that mostly and continued with engine variants Guzzi already had (the V with the cylinders sticking out on each side of the bike instead of the close angle V-Engine like Aprilia). Why couldn't they just pay the designer of that water cooled triple engine, develop it further or use their experience from racing an inline triple and make up a street version of it? Never made any sense to me what they did and never will...

But hey - I am just the guy that also will never understand why everyone thinks that a bike with a barely clothed lady on or aside a bike is a great thing. Is the bike so ugly that it needs a nice girl to attract my attention? Or is the girl so ugly that it needs a bike that diverts the gaze on that lady?

Why can't one stand alone for itself?? :rolleyes: I like both, but not at the same time. Neither on a pic nor while working on them... 😁
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The Guzzi‘s engine layout is unique to Guzzi, they are a real company with a real factory and real heritage.
Sticking a water cooled triple engine into a generic frame (yawn..) and calling it a Laverda is a hiding to nothing-
Heskeths are the next born again brand that will disappear just as quickly .
 
You are aware that the concept of the Benelli engine is (I take Piero Laverda's words to me...): "based on the development of the Zane Triple engine", done by the Zane-Laverda contractor that developed the watercooled Zane triple engine and who never was paid, hence he went to Benelli and developed "a totally new engine"... yeah - sure...

Be sure, it would most defenitely have been way more accepted to have the same bike as above with an inline triple engine (even if water cooled and with no connection to laverda) than using an experimental frame concept that was already there and sticking the upgraded Mille RR V2 engine in there, calling it proudly a Laverda - no?

Also, Aprilia bought the whole company of Laverda from Zane. They had all the rights to continue the 750's (and maybe make them reliable) and continue the development of the 1000 bikes (except for the engine I suppose, as the designer was never paid by Laverda Zane). They might not have bought the building - not sure. For sure they would have been able to produce these bikes in a different factory though or upgrade the factory to modern standards. They just did not take that investment. Not sure why the bought Laverda at all?!? just to destroy them?? At least they distroyed the moulds for the engine castings and the engine cover castings, allthough they had a more than attractive offer to sell them on the table...
 
Laverdalothar said:
You are aware that the concept of the Benelli engine is (I take Piero Laverda's words to me...): "based on the development of the Zane Triple engine", done by the Zane-Laverda contractor that developed the watercooled Zane triple engine and who never was paid, hence he went to Benelli and developed "a totally new engine"... yeah - sure...

Be sure, it would most defenitely have been way more accepted to have the same bike as above with an inline triple engine (even if water cooled and with no connection to laverda) than using an experimental frame concept that was already there and sticking the upgraded Mille RR V2 engine in there, calling it proudly a Laverda - no?

Also, Aprilia bought the whole company of Laverda from Zane. They had all the rights to continue the 750's (and maybe make them reliable) and continue the development of the 1000 bikes (except for the engine I suppose, as the designer was never paid by Laverda Zane). They might not have bought the building - not sure. For sure they would have been able to produce these bikes in a different factory though or upgrade the factory to modern standards. They just did not take that investment. Not sure why the bought Laverda at all?!? just to destroy them?? At least they distroyed the moulds for the engine castings and the engine cover castings, allthough they had a more than attractive offer to sell them on the table...
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The original triumph factory destroyed all the Trident/ rocket three moulds as well- don’t know why?
 
Paul Marx said:
The original Laverda factory destroyed all the moulds as well.
All that is gone and truly dead.

Paul
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Until someone scans the parts and 3D prints more molds. As I understand it, foundries are now using sand printers to make molds. As the method becomes more a part of ordinary mainstream industrial processes the price will drop to the point where it will become feasible to cast new parts again. Even one-offs.
 
Alzero said:
Until someone scans the parts and 3D prints more molds. As I understand it, foundries are now using sand printers to make molds. As the method becomes more a part of ordinary mainstream industrial processes the price will drop to the point where it will become feasible to cast new parts again. Even one-offs.
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Certainly.
Only Laverda was a relatively obscure provincial Italian motorcycle builder, like so many others, and as you mention, apart from a one off, nobody is going to cast parts for a rapidly diminishing band of cognoscenti, particularly on this continent where the internal combustion engine will be a thing of the past in 10 years time.

Paul
 
Paul, I beg to disagree, given the recent auction prices that you seem to be so annoyed about, there is a case to be made for this. As the prices for new processes continue to drop and auction prices rise it will make economic sense to reproduce parts that are out of reach today. All those expensive garage queens will enable the manufacturer of parts for the “band of cognoscenti “ who will actually ride them. As for any bans of petrol vehicles, no one anywhere AFAIK has suggested banning existing vehicles, just the sale of new ones. You might not be able to ride your Laverda to work in the city center anymore, but would you really want to?

Michael
 
Jay Leno has made plenty of impossible-to-find parts for obscure 100-year-old vehicles of all types and rides and drives them afterwards sometimes risking life and limb doing precisely that. The days of 1950s and 60s Science Fiction has some pretty close to reality, eg The Replicators in the film Forbidden Planet and Star Trek with 3D printing and it will only get easier and cheaper.
 
Alzero said:
. You might not be able to ride your Laverda to work in the city center anymore, but would you really want to?

Michael
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I always rode my Laverda to work, up until retirement at the ripe old age of 62 and a bit.

In a few years time, there won't be a reputable mechanic on this planet to repair and rebuild our bikes. Who'd need engine cases?

Paul
 
Paul Marx said:
The original Laverda factory destroyed all the moulds as well.
All that is gone and truly dead.

Paul
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not true. They were there until in 2001 Aprilia binned them. Willy Werndl made an offer to Aprilia with a 6 digit number as far as I know to safe them, which was refused by Ivano Beggio/his team.
 
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