Brake Squeel

mar

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I replaced the brake pads on my Mirage TS with sintered (sp?) pads. Initially I treated them with anti-squeel. After a brief time they made noise. I then removed them and cleaned off the anti squeel. I also cleaned the brake caliber with brake clean. They continue to make noise.
Does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks
 
Mar

My F08s with Ferodo sintered pads squeal a bit, but not enough to bother me. But I know this is a very subjective thing.
Usually, when brakes squeal it's because the pad is chattering a bit in use. LOts of things add together to cause this, fortunately most are easy to fix, but probably you'll have to do several things.
First, be sure the system is bled properly, with new fluid. Any little bubbles will compress and let the pads move in and out a tiny bit  while in use, leading to squeals. Next, be sure that the caliper is working properly, no sticking/ accumulated goo. Easy and cheap way is to just pull the things apart, clean them well, and rebuild them with new seals and lots of brake grease. While you're rebuilding them, be sure to clean the outer surfaces of the pistons, the pad mating surfaces in the calipers (especially where the ends of the pads sit in the square sides of the recess), and the locating pins for the pads. In fact new pistons and pins are a good idea but it starts getting expensive when you just replace everything at one go, so just clean and free of corrosion may have to do.
Check that the pads are a neat fit but can still move fairly easily while the calipers are dismantled, then assemble carefully, fill with new fluid (I like vegetable Castrol LMA, others like DOT 4), bleed as thoroughly as you can, and try again. If it still chatters, check that all the rotor mount bolts and carrier bolts are tight and torqued to appropriate settings.
About the only other thing left at this point is having the rotors skimmed flat and parallel. You can usually do this a couple of times before they're too thin, if you just want a flat surface with the right surface roughness.

Ken
 
Ken, thanks. I thought that might be the answer. I was hoping for an easier fix that would not require the bike being apart. I will order up a rebuild kit. I already flushed out the fluid.
 
 
Just a thought but check the thickness is withing the required level. I had a BMW and as soon as the discs got even near the limit they started squealing.

Andy
 
sintered metal pads are designed to work with stainless rotors
they will eat your cast iron brembo rotors due to high metal content
you need to be sure you have organic pads

pads have three areas of potential squeel:
the rear where piston acts against the back plate of pad
the sides where pad floats in caliper
and the pad face working against the rotor

the anti-squeel compounds or shims are designed to work between pad and piston
sides channels in caliper should be kept clean of debris that may inhibit free movement of pad
a very light coating of an anti-seize compound could be used here
the rotor face must be flat

you may find the rotors to have fine concentric ridges on the surface
there will be corresponding concentric grooves in the pad
nice little noise generator

easy way to knock the ridges down is with a small angle grinder
fitted with a 2" scotch roloc disc leaving a smooth swirl finish on the rotor
same thing the techs do to auto rotors having just been machined
the resurfacing will leave fine ridges/grooves that must be dressed


ken, the correct ferodo pads for the F08 on the street will be the platinum series
the only track compound they offer is the CP211

cheers,
scott


 
Organic pads may be a good idea.  Think I will locate them before I rebuild the caliburs. I really like my iron rotors and would prefer to keep them. The brakes were working just fine . The only reason I changed the pads is because they were still the factory originals and about 28 years old.
I will probablly get around to rebuilding the caliburs when I change the brake lines to stainless.
 
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