Crackdown On Classic Rego

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Vince

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I just received an email from CIMAA about an apparently recent incident where the cops caught someone using Classic Rego on a much modified old bike. Seems the bike had upside-down forks and a mono-shock rear end. No fines but the owner was given an hour to ride the bike home as it didn't comply and therefore was deemed to be unregoed. Maybe there needs to be some Avenue for this like the Hotrods blokes get. I don't know, without that I expect its full Engineers report and full rego. So it seems we now need a few bike pics and maybe a pink slip for postal rego to cover the club in case this happens again. Seems if it happens a lot the club will lose the ability to do Classic Rego and that would be a real shame. I understand this to a point for safety reasons, but the cops really do love finding every little thing and flexing their power at every opertunity.
 
Maybe they think a classic machine that has been 'modernised' is no longer a classic.
Could start a whole new thread on 'when is a classic no longer a classic'.  ::)
 
I guess it's call "Clasic Rego" for a reason Vince. USD forks not exactly classic. 
Pretty sure that Classic rego here the bikes have to be original or really dam closed to it.
One reason I have the Motodd on full rego.
 
That's pretty much the point of my post. The Germans do type-approval where you cannot even apparently change a tyre brand and get it past rego. I love reading the threads in Some Assembly Needed on Adventure Rider where they are changing to different engines similar to Tritons and others and still getting it regoed in the USA and elsewhere. Not going to happen here is Oz without full Engineering approval for every step. Q what's your plan for this in Vic for your specials? What a world we live in, who would think most cops would know when Monoshocks appeared on bikes or what upside-down forks even are compared to conversion forks unless there a bike enthoius and even then care enough to ping someone.
 
When I went to put my Kwak Z1300 on classic rego, the inspector asked what year the sidecar was built and when it was fitted. I just said "I dunno. It was like that when I bought it"
I knew exactly when the sidecar was fitted and who did it, but I wasn't going to tell him. I reckon if I'd have told him it was about 10 years later than the bike's age, I'd have not got classic rego.

As it was, I was lucky to scrape through because I didn't have an engineer's certificate for the sidecar and leading link front suspension. I argued that someone must have approved it when it was done because the bike already had full registration. He let me get away with that flimsy argument. Phew!  :D
 
Here is a typical example, a mate got stopped on a fully regoed and compliant KTM Dirtbike a while ago because the cop reckoned he didn't have a taillight. KTMs have taillights moulded into the rear guard, the cop just didn't know that. Some might be bike enthuses but lots wouldn't be. So general appearance, noise, tyre tread, oil leaks and working lights I would expect would be there limited. O and red rear reflector, the real important stuff. And I have also heard bike colour, seems paint colour is also documented, who knew that one. BTW that's full rego. Not Classic rego. Knowing whats standard on old bikes other than really obvious stuff is a whole new can of worms. Just look at the rivet counting here.
 
Here in South Aus  (and I guess other states) you have to be a member of a recognised bike club and the onus is on the club to issue the 'Club Registration Log Book' that has to be presented to the Rego office. Not sure what the modification rules are but if you are in a prang and the investigating officers deem that the bike has been modified beyond acceptable bounds there could be a lot of come-back on the club that issued the logbook.
Just playing devil's advocate.
 
The bike must be 30 years old, reasonably standard and you must be financially paid up club member that runs this scheme. Std full rego for a 1000cc bike in suburban Sydney including the compulsory
green slip insurance is close to $700. Classic rego is $55. That allows use for all club rides and with a filled-in logbook entry 60 days a year of riding for any reason and at any time. It also gets you much cheaper full Insurance. Its a great scheme and a no brainer for old bikes. Lately, it appears we are getting some screwtency from the cops. Probably as there are now lots of pretty fast 30 year old Japanese bikes that can apply.
 
Lucky buggers. As far as I know the system in Qld just limits it to club runs. No good to me up here.
I just do full rego. Actually looking at a renewal now - $502-95
I did rego the XL recently as single seat which saves mainly the CTP part.
Should change the Lavs too........
 
Vince said:
That's pretty much the point of my post. The Germans do type-approval where you cannot even apparently change a tyre brand and get it past rego. I love reading the threads in Some Assembly Needed on Adventure Rider where they are changing to different engines similar to Tritons and others and still getting it regoed in the USA and elsewhere. Not going to happen here is Oz without full Engineering approval for every step. Q what's your plan for this in Vic for your specials? What a world we live in, who would think most cops would know when Monoshocks appeared on bikes or what upside-down forks even are compared to conversion forks unless there a bike enthoius and even then care enough to ping someone.
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Two different things here, Vince.

A vehicle remains registered, until it is de-registered, or you cease/forget to pay the annual road tax.  A vehicle can remain registered without being road-worthy, or having a valid testing sticker.  Just not allowed to use it on public roads in this case.  No vehicle can be registered without a valid test certificate. 

Germany has a scheme allowing 30+ year old vehicles to be specially registered, with unlimited use.  Isn't any cheaper, unless you drive some sort of gas-guzzler that would otherwise cost horrendous emmission-based road tax.  Actually more expensive for smaller vehicles, as a blanket tax is applied to all these vehicles.  Classic rego does require the vehicle to be basically standard, or carry contempory accessories only, at least outwardly.  As long as contempory parts are used in the drive line, modern upgrades, within boundaries, are allowed.

Type-approval comes into the equation every 2 years at the mandatory T?V inspection.  Due to the multitude of ultra-quick sports bikes, and a multitude of tyre offerings, bikes are often homologated with a specific brand and dimension of tyre.  Other tyres can be added in the  vehicle documents, but this necessitates an approval, either in the course of the bi-annual inspection, or a seperate inspection, both of which require statements from the vehicle and tyre manufacturer that the particular tyre is satisfactory for use on that particular vehicle.  No problem for most brands of bikes, but owners of defunct brands are dependant on the experience and goodwill of the inspectors.  There are a lot of arseholes amoungst them that are more than happy to play out their "power", but there are quite a few dedicated enthusiasts that will allow mods that they deem safe.  Base requirement for inspectors is an engineering master degree, so most should actually know what they're talking about.

So, it's not as gloomy as it seems. :D

piet
 
Been thinking about this very thing, Vince. Getting a roadworthy won't be a problem (and all classic rego requires a RWC in Vic these days). When I put an SF1 through for RWC I asked the guy about getting my modified bike done and he said it's not his job to know what a 1974 Laverda should look like, but to make sure what he's looking at is safe to use on the road. He said if the work is done properly and isn't some botch up job (some of the hipster bikes come to mind!!) then he has no problem with any mod. It's the arsehole copper who wants to ruin your day any way they can that is the prob.

I've pretty much decided to go for full rego for the same reasons Rob has with the Motodd. And it means I can travel interstate without hassle (sounds like NSW full of said nasty poleesmen) and I won't have to fill out the log book every time I want to go anywhere. Club Permit reg is great and very cheap - it just may not suit this SFQ. I just got the renewal for the little 250 Kwaka, which I've literally ridden about 50km in the last year, and it's $527!! Time to sell it.

I guess worst case scenario is I have to standardise the running gear a bit. Then I have the worry of having modified the bike after it was RWC'd.

Any idea what kind of bike it was that was put off the road, Vince? I could always show a pic of a 668!!
 
sfcpiet said:
Two different things here, Vince.

A vehicle remains registered, until it is de-registered, or you cease/forget to pay the annual road tax.  A vehicle can remain registered without being road-worthy, or having a valid testing sticker.  Just not allowed to use it on public roads in this case.  No vehicle can be registered without a valid test certificate. 

Germany has a scheme allowing 30+ year old vehicles to be specially registered, with unlimited use.  Isn't any cheaper, unless you drive some sort of gas-guzzler that would otherwise cost horrendous emmission-based road tax.  Actually more expensive for smaller vehicles, as a blanket tax is applied to all these vehicles.  Classic rego does require the vehicle to be basically standard, or carry contempory accessories only, at least outwardly.  As long as contempory parts are used in the drive line, modern upgrades, within boundaries, are allowed.

Type-approval comes into the equation every 2 years at the mandatory T?V inspection.  Due to the multitude of ultra-quick sports bikes, and a multitude of tyre offerings, bikes are often homologated with a specific brand and dimension of tyre.  Other tyres can be added in the  vehicle documents, but this necessitates an approval, either in the course of the bi-annual inspection, or a seperate inspection, both of which require statements from the vehicle and tyre manufacturer that the particular tyre is satisfactory for use on that particular vehicle.  No problem for most brands of bikes, but owners of defunct brands are dependant on the experience and goodwill of the inspectors.  There are a lot of arseholes amoungst them that are more than happy to play out their "power", but there are quite a few dedicated enthusiasts that will allow mods that they deem safe.  Base requirement for inspectors is an engineering master degree, so most should actually know what they're talking about.

So, it's not as gloomy as it seems. :D


piet
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Gday Piet I meant to ask you last year what sort of registration you had on your trick 3C?
 
Q I have no direct info but I suspect it is a Bevel Ducati. I seem to remember it at last club rego day, its a very tidy unit but a long way from standard What your rego bloke says is just what it should be. What gets my goat is how the local Hwy Patrol Cop suddenly becomes an expert on ADRs or some obscure regulation and suddenly something becomes the crime of the century. Go Pros on helmets is a good example. Apparently that became centre stage because some Constable on a whim didn't like the look of it on a road stop, even though all the bike cops in the state have exactly the same gadget on their helmets.
 
I hear you on that insane $500 rego for 250cc bikes. I bought my 250 Husky so I could afford its rego at the time. Appox $200 or a bit less, but the arsehole Insurance Co and Pollys changed the engine capacity from 260cc and up for the big costs to 225cc. So my hardly used 250cc Dirtbike costs the same to register as a 1000cc Laverda on full rego. Nice to see a 150% price increase at the stroke of a pen. A lot of Scooters got hit with that increase as well.
 
Not at the last rego day vince, last time i saw it was latins by the lake, so at least 10 years ago.  Lime green then.  Apparently been through 4 different owners since then.  I think it won best modified on that day.
 
Maybe I am confusing it with either a full Carbon Fiber bodied or all alloy bodied SS Bevel. There was some really tidy out of the ordinary SS Bevel there
 
I can't believe the restrictions and regulations you guys have to deal with just to ride an old motorcycle, I live in the highest taxed state in the US and my yearly registration is $17,and basic insurance is $75, I have total loss insurance for my 3C with a value of $17k for $225 a year. I don't see how your governments justify the costs on such a small portion of the motoring population
 
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