Crackdown On Classic Rego

In Vic it's called a Club Permit, and although it is for vehicles 25 (or is it 30?) years or older, so essentially 'classic' rego, it implies membership of a club, NOT necessarily that it's a STD classic. That's why hotrods (with engineer's certs these days) can register on it.

Do I want to test the system on my SFQ? No, not really.
 
Dellortoman said:
If American TV programs like Full Custom Garage and Vegas Rat Rods are any indication, it seems you can register pretty much anything with wheels in USA. There's no way you could get away with most of those way-out (but cool) vehicles in Australia. Some of them don't even have mudguards (fenders) FFS.  :o 

Is it something in the constitution like the second amendment (right to bear arms)? Perhaps "the right to drive any old home-built piece of crap on the roads".  :D
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It really depends upon which state you live in and the age of the vehicle, most often you can get registration sight unseen (insurance is different, usually an office clerk will eyeball it say OK and your good to go). There is also a category of non-operational status, which means your vehicle is legally registered but you cannot ride it on the street. You can have non-operational status for years then when you are ready to put the vehicle  back into use simply pay the current Rego fee, you can do it by mail

After reading all the posts on this thread it appears to be simply an act of Governments reaching out and picking your pockets, a lot of civil servants implementing ridiculous rules to justify keeping their jobs, FFS.
 
Here in Spain it?s a bit of everything

If you belong to a classic club you get cheaper insurance, but then it?s only third party , at about 80 euro a bike , or 270 euros or more for third party fire and theft.  If the bike is over 25 years old you don?t have to pay road tax, but you have to take the correct white paper in with you that says bikes or cars over 25 years old , do not have to pay. ( I think this is the last year for this ). If you put the bike on classic plates, it has to be 30 years or older ( the rules changed in 2018) , this costs on average 1200-1500 euro.  And you have to have an engineers inspection.  They check on the tech spec of the bike the tire sizes you are allowed, the centres of axels , and a few other things. If it falls out of those parameters , you need to get approval, which is possible , it costs a bit , but anything safe is possible. If you want to make big changes to a bike it?s best to do all at once, then you just pay once for the changes.  And you do this before going to classic plates. Pretty much then you don?t need indicators , if you don?t have a brake operated brake light, you need a constantly lit tail light and a rear reflector.  They check the decibels once and after that you can?t go above that  If you go below that they alter your papers.  So it?s best to be loud, and ride quietly through built up areas.  There is a maximum allowed distance travelled per year , but if you have 2 bikes , you are good.

You do a road worthy / MOT/ warrant of fitness/ ITV every 5 years and they are pretty lenient !

I think we are pretty lucky up here.  Yes there is red tape , but it?s worth it to go through it.
 
There's no ideal country.

In France, there's no technical control, be it modern or collectors bikes. Collector is over 25 years. Sound must comply with legislation at time of manufacture.
There is no road tax on any vehicle, bike or car, modern or collector.

For collectors vehicles, there are no restrictions on use, mileage or number of days used. You can ride abroad. You can even use a collectors vehicle in town when pollution is high and only the most recent vehicles are allowed.
I pay ?140 a year third party insurance for as many bikes as I want. If I want insurance according to the value of the machine, I pay more.

The downside is that it's impossible to register a machine brought in from abroad if it hasn't got all its documents which is often the case of machines coming in from Italy.
I have several small Laverda which I'll need to register in Belgium or the UK which are immediate neighbours, and then import them, at a cost, into France.

Paul
 
I haven't lived anywhere in the US except Florida, but from what I've seen it's pretty similar in most US states. There is a Department of Motor Vehicles which is where you have to go to show your purchase paperwork, bu they're really not there to do anything but check that you actually own the vehicle that you're trying to register. No vehicle inspections to be sure it's legal, not even any type of safety check. But if the VIN number doesn't match your paperwork, they get very agitated.
I imported my Jota from the UK, and it (amazingly) didn't have a US compliance plate with VIN number. I was lucky, the DMV guy was feeling pragmatic, so my official VIN ID is the number off the frame. I don't know what would have happened if the engine number had been different, but I didn't ask about that.
So Cam, yes, you can register just about anything here. Then you just have to hope you don't run into a cop who has nothing better to do than enforce safety ordinances. I don't see choppers with no  front brake any more. I've seen a cop pull over a Harley rider with his handlebars towering well over his head. But I see "cars" that are just tubular welded chassis with HUGE turbocharged big block engines (saw one with a machined billet block a while ago!), no bodywork - and they're legal until a cop says they're not.

Ken
 
It's nice, for a change, to report that this aspect of life, at least, appears to be better in the UK.

We pay no road tax on 'Historic' vehicles (over forty years old).
MOT/Vehicle safety inspections cease to be mandatory at the same age.
They are exempt from 'Emission Zone' charges.
There is no mileage or use restriction.
My insurance, on a modified machine, last June, was ?107 with a guaranteed insurance value of ?14,500. If damaged in an accident, the sum assured is paid and the machine remains mine, to repair, if I wish.
Sorry to rub your noses in it, guys, but it seems a much better deal.
On the down side 99 Octane fuel is ?1.24 a litre.
 
Paul Marx said:
There's no ideal country.

In France, there's no technical control, be it modern or collectors bikes.

Paul
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??? The cops that chatted to me, with party lights flashing ;) at Somme told my 1400 was too big for France, 1200cc limit applies. True or false?
 
mcnicol said:
I imported my Jota from the UK, and it (amazingly) didn't have a US compliance plate with VIN number.

I don't see choppers with no front brake anymore.

Ken
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Ken I purchased my 78 Jota in 82 from a guy in Malibu, he had purchased it from Slaters and imported it to California. I do not know if compliance plates were required back then I never had a problem transferring or registration to date: VIN #6168  California license plate is 78JOTA.

As for riders on choppers with no front brake, they are a dying breed (pun intended) but if you go to Daytona bike week or Vegas run you will see many raked-out front ends minus brakes (many of them trailered in, but hey it's a big country).

I had a mate who for years (10-15 ?)maintained his SFC Rego in California enabling him to ride/live in multiple countries without the hassle of import compliance and registrations but this was in the olden days. I used my old 73 Laverda in USA/Mexico for quite a few years on West Australian Rego and a WA driver's license that didn't even have an ID photo on it. Lots of warnings from the cops/CHP but only ever got one ticket. I could totally confuse them by showing them a copy of the Carnet de Passage, and yes I got my Carnet money back in full even though I sold the bike in a foreign country (US), Cheers Dave  ;) ;) ???
 
chrisk said:
??? The cops that chatted to me, with party lights flashing ;) at Somme told my 1400 was too big for France, 1200cc limit applies. True or false?
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False.
There's no limit on cubes, or horsepower.
There used to be a 100 HP limit but the EU pushed that out.

Paul
 
mcnicol said:
So Cam, yes, you can register just about anything here. ... and they're legal until a cop says they're not.
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Here's an example of the kind of thing I'm talking about. Two V8 engines side by side. 4 superchargers blocking the driver's view, no mudguards, no seat belts ? 
Looks like a heap of fun, but you'd probably get thrown in jail for driving that on the roads in Australia. Seems it's perfectly OK in USA though. I'd have thought at the very least a driver would have to be able to see where he's going, especially in something that'll do a gazillion mph if you put your foot down.

Actually it was built by a Kiwi bloke (Gordon Tronson) who lives in Las Vegas. Maybe he moved to USA so he could do this sort of thing.
 

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You can go on 'maintenance rides' with Historic rego in NSW. It says it right here on the RMS web page:

https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/registration/get-nsw-registration/vehicle-sheets/historic-vehicle.html

"Use only in conjunction with authorised club event or maintenance "

From memory, the renewal cost me $48.00 this year.
 
Chappo's right, nowhere does it say you can't use it for maintenance rides.  In fact, on all my 'pink tickets' is the condition (which is the same pre- or post-log book system) "G094 "Use only in conjunction with an authorised club event or maintenance".
You might not want to test out the full 50k's radius from home as used by one club I know (most clubs are 10) but there is nowhere anywhere that says maintenance rides are out if you're on the log book.  The logbook system is simply an addition under "Special Conditions".  I'd like to see the written basis for being able to be nicked for it, especially if you're clearly doing something like fuelling up or doing a bit of test riding in the vicinity of your registered address.  The copper who "let you off" probably knew that too. :)

I believe there was resistance to the logbook system by some people in some car/bike clubs.  I can only imagine they were paranoid types and thought nobody would turn up to club events anymore if they were free to ride anywhere they pleased.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  Club memberships are booming, there are more and more people on club runs AND there are also some who simply pay membership to use the concessional rego and in doing so, improve the financial position of the club to put on better and better events for those who do turn up.  Any opposition to the system should surely have been filtered out by now?  It's totally illogical.

And even if your club does have a rule which somehow over-rides the G094 condition (which I doubt is legal), it's not the bloody masons or the cammora, you can just join a club that doesn't.  There are plenty.
 
Yes, I tried that, to me the change to the Logbook scheme from the Original Classic Rego Scheme did look like an addendum, but some of the committee of CIIMA tell me no maintenance without a logbook entry full stop. There was a long thread on the CIIMA Facebook site I started and for some crazy reason it got quite heated, it was like I was attempting a cue. The club does great stuff but all I was doing was asking about a tiny change. There are at least 2 ways to read the regos and they choose no maintenance rides for who knows what reason. One even said even if it was ok, getting fuel wasn't maintenance, so I said what if I check the oil while I am getting fuel. It just became stupid so I just let it go. You would think they must be besties with the Minister of Transport.BTW this wasn't all, just a couple. Its typical Club management Politics, thank God that doesn't happen in the NSW Laverda Club. The NSW Ducati blokes have his in spades, they run an uptight organisation that bunch. If I made this comment on there Facebook page it would be immediately deleted and I would be warned. Not good to have an opinion there at all.
 
Vince said:
The NSW Ducati blokes have his in spades, they run an uptight organisation that bunch. If I made this comment on there Facebook page it would be immediately deleted and I would be warned. Not good to have an opinion there at all.
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I joined a Ducati forum some years ago. Didn't hang around there for long. It was full of wankers.
 
breganzane said:
Chappo's right, nowhere does it say you can't use it for maintenance rides.  In fact, on all my 'pink tickets' is the condition (which is the same pre- or post-log book system) "G094 "Use only in conjunction with an authorised club event or maintenance".
You might not want to test out the full 50k's radius from home as used by one club I know (most clubs are 10) but there is nowhere anywhere that says maintenance rides are out if you're on the log book.  The logbook system is simply an addition under "Special Conditions".  I'd like to see the written basis for being able to be nicked for it, especially if you're clearly doing something like fuelling up or doing a bit of test riding in the vicinity of your registered address.  The copper who "let you off" probably knew that too. :)

I believe there was resistance to the logbook system by some people in some car/bike clubs.  I can only imagine they were paranoid types and thought nobody would turn up to club events anymore if they were free to ride anywhere they pleased.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  Club memberships are booming, there are more and more people on club runs AND there are also some who simply pay membership to use the concessional rego and in doing so, improve the financial position of the club to put on better and better events for those who do turn up.  Any opposition to the system should surely have been filtered out by now?  It's totally illogical.

And even if your club does have a rule which somehow over-rides the G094 condition (which I doubt is legal), it's not the bloody masons or the cammora, you can just join a club that doesn't.  There are plenty.
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so Batto, do I have to make an entry in the log book if I am going on a maintenance ride? I imagine not, but it seems to be open to the interpretation of the local officer who has pulled you over.
 
That's what's so annoying, it's arguable either way with a $1000 penalty if you are wrong all for the piddling reason of a small lap around your block or 5ks from Home to the local petrol station. It's probably 50ks to 80ks for me to do a lap of the Old Rd and I would definitely do a logbook entry for that. But a 3-minute un ATGATT spur of the moment trip around the block, way overkill.
 
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