Cunning Buggars

The guy caught doing 200 in an 80 zone doesn't pay his fines.....and will continue to ride without a license. He wont own his bike, so they cant destroy it...

its the guy riding a new Ducati or Jap sports bike that have the money to pay fines and something to lose... they are the targets.
 
The cunning buggers in some parts of Adelaide don't put up speed signs, they put up signs stating if there isn't a speed sign, the speed limit it 50kph. Was done on Walkerville Terrace in North Adelaide that way, 58 kph in a fifty zone.
 
That's 100% great, but so many idiots have exactly that Insanity equated to 5 over. And the major thrust now is CASUAL SPEEDING eg every k over is a killer, I hear don't speed if you don't want a fine, and that's with a speed limit change every other corner. We now have 30,40,50,60,70,80,100 and 110 and in plenty of places other than the sign you cannot tell from how the road or conditions look. To me, it's becoming a bent game with practically zero chance of never getting a fine. And then up pops someone who only drives around their home and shops and says they have never got a fine in 60 years of driving. The reason why I am so hot about this is 40 years ago I decided that to avoid being run over by cars on the bike and I live 10ks from the Sydney GPO is SOLID traffic I would maintain between 5 and 10 ks above the traffic flow to be noticed and keep out of blind spots and its worked great for that time, never been hit or hit a car, not including a couple of clipped mirrors filtering and now exactly that is being targeted by some ACADEMIC study as dangerous and must be stamped out. I take this threat to my safety personally and am pissed off to the max about this.
Im with ya brother, thieving pricks.......................far too many changes along any stretch of rd! Built up areas 60 every were else 110. (y)
 
Apparently, it's the same thing for dirt roads, no signs and it's 80kph. Bet that's not common knowledge in NSW
 
As much as I hate to say it, as soon as there's a self-driving car that can take from A to B without legal liability, I'm in! I wonder what all the governments and fuckwit safety campaigners will go on about once they can't victimise people trying to go about their daily business in a sensible way? At a guess they will try to keep the human ultimately liable somehow, so that they can blame the 'driver' when the machine fucks up.

My normal commute is fine, since I know where to look and am usually at or close to the speed limit anyway, but yeah the problem is that as revenue tails off due to people complying more, all they do is lower the speed limits and reduce the tolerance in order to maintain revenue. Makes it a minefield going to an unfamiliar big city, pretty much not worth the effort. Apparently Waze helps a bit, but I wouldn't want to rely on it.
 
The problem with Waze is the graphics look like a 5-year-old designed them and they're hard to read on the go, my Tomtom has a 3D magnifier effect but in the bright sun it's just as bad. Waze relies on users constantly updating what they see about as they move. The last time I used Waze it was constantly warning me of parked vehicles on the side of the Newcastle expressway. Posable Speed Camera Cars, none where. That day it was a car every 5ks along the road. At least Waze is a free app.
 
I wonder what all the governments and fuckwit safety campaigners will go on about once they can't victimise people trying to go about their daily business in a sensible way?
but yeah the problem is that as revenue tails off due to people complying more, all they do is lower the speed limits and reduce the tolerance in order to maintain revenue.
Hit the nail right on the head, Steve. That's exactly what's happening. Addiction to revenue - be it gambling or any other exploitable commodity - they only genuinely moved against tobacco when the pressure was too great to resist - but it did taker them about 50 years!
 
Had a mate who was done for speeding on Cowpasture Road west of Sydney years ago (when it was a cowpasture). He was 'testing, his new GSX750 and got done for exceeding the speed limit. Although he thought he was in a 100 zone he didn't know that when there is street lighting the speed limit was automatically 60.
 
Someone flashing head lights means there's a road obstruction, an accident or a speed trap ahead - SLOW DOWN - Prepared to STOP. Your now under flight VFR Rules - Other words, you are with in Railway Yard Limits or 266 Territory. That is; prepared to STOP within the 1/2 range of vision.

You can get into trouble if you flash your head lights at a COP Cruiser when there's a Speed Trap around ;o)

Truckers use that signal all the time - Be Aware.

Wish they would teach that signal in Drivers Safety Courses when applying for Drivers Licenses.

A Hi-Beam flash at night doesn't always mean you forgot your Hi-Beams were on ;o)
 
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If you get a ticket in the mail why would you not challenge the accuracy of the camera, I would want to see test results challenge the authenticity of test results, how and when the testing was done was it recently, were the cameras installed, and adjusted per manufacturer recommendations, who installed it a cop or a trained manufacturer installer.
Arizona installed speed cameras and after multiple (hundreds) of challenges in the courts, the courts ruled the results invalid along with the courts accusing the law enforcement agencies of entrapment. This is America home of the lawsuit, sometimes lawyers do good things. Speed cameras in AZ went bye, bye. Red-light cameras remain a good thing.
 
If you get a ticket in the mail why would you not challenge the accuracy of the camera, I would want to see test results challenge the authenticity of test results, how and when the testing was done was it recently, were the cameras installed, and adjusted per manufacturer recommendations, who installed it a cop or a trained manufacturer installer.

I once did exactly that. Not so much challenging the accuracy of the camera, but the way in which it was used.

I was pinged for speeding one night (in a work vehicle again) when heading home after working late. I got a copy of the speed camera photo and it looked pretty dodgy. It was mostly pitch black with two blurry red glows from the tail lights and a dimly lit number plate that required some guesswork to identify. No features of the vehicle itself were visible in the inky blackness.

It was pretty sketchy evidence so I chose not to pay the fine, thinking I had a good chance of defending it in court. Even though it was only one demerit point and a fine of around $100, I felt aggrieved enough to argue the case in front of a magistrate.

So I got a copy of the police evidence which included the officer's name and the details of the speed camera equipment he was using, including serial numbers, calibration certificates, etc. I then got a copy of all the documentation and police procedure manuals related to setting up and operating that particular type of camera. They are obliged to make all that stuff available under the freedom of information act. But it's not actually free, you have to pay for it. The whole lot ran to hundreds of pages of photocopying. I remember thinking at the time that I may as well have just paid the bloody fine as it was nearly the same amount of money.

From the quality of the photo, it was obvious that the operator had not set the camera up properly because the flash clearly hadn't gone off. I took (daylight) photos of the location to show that he also hadn't followed the police manual as to where speed traps could be set in the first place. According to their own operating and procedures manual, speed detection devices were not supposed to located within 200m of a change of speed limit sign. This one was only about 100m.

I went to court for my Perry Mason moment, with all my paperwork and photos, feeling pretty confident that I had this charge beat. I was allowed to cross-examine the officer who had operated the camera and he was clearly surprised at my intimate level of knowledge on the subject (I'd spent weeks doing my homework and knew the manual way better than he did). He actually ended up admitting to the court that he'd left the camera on its daylight setting even though it was a dark night, and had not engaged the camera flash. He also conceded that he had made a bunch of other set-up errors that were contrary to the police manual, including the camera location. He looked pretty embarrassed about being shown to be a bit of a fuckwit.

The magistrate chastised the cop, saying that he had demonstrated "gross incompetence" in the performance of his duties, and hadn't met the standard of evidence required for bringing the matter to court. He then turned and congratulated me on presenting a robust and interesting defence. I was feeling pretty cocky by then, expecting a "case dismissed" result. So the next words that came out of his mouth came as a shock: "I find the speeding allegation proven" and he imposed the fine and demerit point penalty.

I asked him to explain his decision, which he was was quite happy to do. His determination was based on two factors.
1. All the police manuals and procedures were merely guidelines that they could choose to comply with or not, as they saw fit. They were not mandatory requirements, so the police officer had merely acted incompetently and had not actually done anything malicious or illegal.
2. He conceded that while the evidence against me was poor, the grainy and pretty much illegible photo of the number plate was "on the balance of probabilities" my vehicle because I'd neglected to prove that I was elsewhere at the time.

The idiot cop on the other side of the courtroom had gone from looking embarrassed to having a shit-eating grin on his face.

It seems that (in Tasmania at least) the "presumption of innocence" does not apply to traffic infringements, and the cops can do whatever they like when gathering evidence, including being grossly incompetent.

To get out of a speeding ticket, it seems that you have to actually prove that the police acted maliciously or illegally, or maybe have a rock-solid alibi that you were somewhere else at the time.
 
That is totally fukked, Cam. Shit like that just makes me angry. So the madge reckons having set that camera up 100m from the speed limit sign was legit? 200m is just a fukken 'suggestion'???!!!
 
Drivers flashed at 306 km / h - too fast for fine!
Legal loophole for extreme speeders: In Belgium, a car driver did not receive a ticket for a radar photo with a speed of 306. As the "Aachener Zeitung" and Belgian media reported, the man was too fast even for the flash unit in mid-October. According to the newspaper, the speed camera near Liège is only approved for speeds of up to 300 kilometers per hour. In Belgium there is a speed limit of 120 kilometers per hour.

.... unfortunately not possible with a Laverda :censored:

Thomas aus LAU
 
Just to cheer you all up a little I did beat the bastards, just the once, a long time ago. Returning late on a Sunday evening from a family weekend away and driving on a fast A-road I came up behind a wannabee rally car being driven very erratically. You know the sort of thing, speed up and down and swerving all over the bloody road. I waited until it was safe to overtake and passed the thing to which he lit up all the spotlights on the front to blind me in the rear view mirror so I flipped the mirror to the anti-dazzle setting. Ten miles further on after passing through a village the dreaded blue lights came on behind me and I got pulled. Not interested in the muppet in the rally car I was reported for 80mph in a 60mph limit and 40mph in a 30mph limit.
The summons to appear before the magistrates court duly arrived through the letterbox giving me the opportunity to either plead guilty and be dealt with in my absence or appear to plead my case. Reading through the summons I noticed a cock up in the charges in that I was accused of travelling at 40mph in a 60mph limit and 80mph in a 30mph limit. I contacted a good friend, a solicitor, who pissed himself laughing and told me to return the summons requesting appearance, then the day before the hearing call the Clerk to the Justices and politely ask why it was an offence to drive at 40mph in a 60mph limit.
That was the sweetest phone call I have ever made. Case dismissed.
 
That is totally fukked, Cam. Shit like that just makes me angry. So the madge reckons having set that camera up 100m from the speed limit sign was legit? 200m is just a fukken 'suggestion'???!!!
Seems that way Quentin. At least it was about 15 years ago when it happened. I was pretty pissed off about it at the time, but I've cooled off a bit now. I just think of it as an interesting event among my numerous interactions with the law in relation to my driving history. I've had a few of them, especially in my youth. You win some, you lose some.
On one occasion when I did win, it was because I hired a lawyer. He whispered something in the magistrate's ear and the case was dismissed. I still don't know what he said.
 
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