engine chains replacment, what to change?

mkavci9

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HEllo.. I'm just before engine chain changing, and I would like to know, what is suggested to change with chanis? Primary and camchain. SOmeone says that I have to change all "plastic sliders, tensioners. Bike has 40.000 km. I didn't see the inside-cam tensioners, I saw just tensioner on triplex chain. Is a bit worn, lets say 1,5- 2 mm, Can I just carefuly "sand" and lower it, seems that there is a lot of plastic on it.
Tell me what is the practice, on such sevices..

Thanks
 
Widespread practice is to replace the triplex primary chain by a high-quality, german-made iwis duplex chain, you can send a PM to forum member andychain (he is a top-rank chain expert from UK) to buy one from him.
I run such a duplex chain in my 3C and it does a perfect job.
For the primary chain tensioner OCT supplied me with a refurbished one in exchange for my old one. My old tensioner, as you might see on picture below, had uneven wear and the rubber was hard and brittle like a brick.  Enough reason for me to replace it.
A nice trick to replace the primary chain is to unbolt the cover of the cush drive on the clutch sprocket and take the cush rubbers out, instead of fighting with the big nut on the crankshaft. Put the new primary chain in together with the clutch sprocket, finally insert the (new) rubbers and put back on the cover. Easy!

Andychain is also selling top-notch iwis cam chains, highly recommended. (bigthumb) Replacing the rear cam chain slider together with the cam chain looks like best practice to me. With the cam cover off, keep the chain tensioned by the adjuster and unbolt the M6 bolt on top of the chain slider. Hook a wire through the threaded hole on top of the chain slider and pull it out after releasing the adjuster.
Before you open the cam chain, ALWAYS secure both ends with a wire, so it will not drop into the crankcase. You might spool in the new cam chain by connecting it to the old one and turning the crankshaft, but you need to take out the chain guide plate at the underside of the engine to check for the new chain sitting correctly on the sprocket. Ask Grant what will probably happen to your engine when you are not doing this check. :o

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hello! yes I already bought chains from andy. My primary chain tensioner is less worn and has even wear. What was the price for refurbished one?
Hmm don't know what to do. I know only,, that all tensioners cames aron 200 euro... and know that this bike is driving me in bankrupt :):)

 
Spent around 100 Euros for both sliders 4 years ago, cam chain rear (new) and primary (in exchange), but you better give Dirk at OCT a call to ask for today's prices.
If your primary chain slider is in better condition than mine just give it a try. Not much can happen apart from a noisy chain and lots of rubber pieces inside the primary case. ;)

You might check the rear cam chain slider for traces of wear from the chain plates, left and right from the center ridge. If such traces are found I'd personally prefer to replace it.
Not replacing the cam chain slider might cause its early failure before next cam chain replacement, creating probably expensive collateral damage.
 
Gravelroad said:
My old tensioner ... had uneven wear and the rubber was hard and brittle like a brick. 

It's most likely some kind of plastic on the tensioner, like nylon or tefllon, not rubber. So I reckon it's supposed to be reasonably hard.

I don't think there's much to be gained by smoothing out the grooves in the tensioner pad. The side plates of the chain will just cut new grooves until the rollers hit the plastic again. It's the rollers that stop it cutting any deeper.
 
Dellortoman thanks:) for enlight me... is really logical, that rollers "slide"- "touch" the plastic..  So as I understand there are two main tensioner?  Primary chain which is easy replacable if worn,, and back cam tensioner??
So to replace back cam tensioner I need to buy only plastic slider  (Cam Chain Rear Tensioner - 31310213)  like that on link ?
http://www.bueni.co.uk/motorcycle/laverda-cam-chain-rear-tensioner-31310213-a69_714fa1cd86bd9be3df06f66d92717f09_2999016

Or do I have to buy even the white wheel?

thanks, and sorry for silly questions, I'm just programmer:)




 
Grooves are good in tensioners as previously stated its better to run
on the rollers rather than the side plates.

Andy
 
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