Front Brake Lines

I think it pays to look over your bike more frequently than the 4 year interval I allowed between refurbishing all brake bits other than the hoses and fittings! Check out underneath the head stem  :o  ???  , a place not easily seen.  Fortunately most of the other fittings are OK. New hoses are on there way, and not a moment two soon thanks to this Forum.  :) 8)
Rocket
 

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Hey Rod

Where did you get your new brake hoses from, and was the price reasonable?

I went to Enzed to buy some hose and fittings to make my own hoses (for 3 bikes). The bloke behind the counter said they'd make the hoses for me at about $100 per hose (depending on fittings) but wouldn't sell me the components. He reckons it's illegal to sell brake hose components as the made up hoses must have ADR compliance for road use. Sounds like crap to me but in our nanny-state who knows? At his price I'd be up for over $1000 to do the 3 bikes so I'd rather buy a length of hose and a handful of fittings and do them myself.

Is there somewhere I can buy components on-line? I've tried googling but nobody seems to have an on-line catalogue for brake hoses and fittings.

Finally, can anyone confirm exactly what the thread is on the brembo hoses? It measures 9.5mm which seems like a 3/8" thread to me.

Cheers,
Cam
 
Cam, try John Stammas in Qld. He sells Goodridge hose and fittings. Can also make them. True, all braided hoses need an ADR tag on them. Both my lavvies have my own made hoses and never had a problem with authorities so far.
 
Have heard some less than complimentary comments about the quality of Johns work. You can get them from here http://www.helperformance.com.au/

Interesting thing, when I imported the argy both the compliance dude and road worthy dude couldn't give a fig about the lack of the ADR on the stainless hoses that had been fitted. In the words of the compliance guy "Would rather see these on there than the original old hoses which would strictly speaking be legal".

 
mcnicol said:
"SPIDER" said:
Front brake light switch is not necessary in the UK Ken.  :D
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That would make me decidedly nervous. I've almost become a bonnet ornament on Bubba's pickup truck a couple of times now; the CEV single-bulb taillight is just not very bright, even with the brightest LED bulb I could find. With no front brake light switch unplanned stops could be really life threatening.
Although I've had my students tell me that my brake lights don't work. I just explain that I don't actually use brakes, I ride a 180 triple that has engine braking :D :D.

Ken
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Possibly relevant on the LED stop/tail bulb. I had one on the Jota & mates said they couldn't see the stop light. When I looked at it I realised the stop element LEDs were directional & pointed straight back. On my tail light lens the reflector element sits directly behind the bulb & was blocking most of the light. 
 
I've used www.helperformance.com.au.
I ordered straight off the website but ended up having to send the hoses back to get angled banjos at both the splitter and the caliper end.
Probably better off specifying exactly what you need, I'm sure most kits are made to order anyway.

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pete
 
shedbob said:
On my tail light lens the reflector element sits directly behind the bulb & was blocking most of the light.
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That was something I noticed on my '73 3c with the original reflector, especially when I was trying to fit the lowest wattage bulbs I could use because of the hopelessly inadequate alternator. The reflector element in the lens blocked out most of the light from the bulb.
Problem was solved when I was washing the bike one day and the centrally mounted plastic lens element that covered the reflector just came off as I was washing it! :o The reflector was just a piece of reflective paper that got wet and separated. I peeled/scraped the rest of the paper off, glued the plastic bit back in place, and now I had a lens that probably wasn't as reflective as the original but had much higher visibility 8).
I've noticed that newer CEV lenses don't seem to have the reflective paper sandwich, just moulded in 1 piece. Looks like the reflective paper idea may not have been such a good one ::).

Ken
 
Dellortoman said:
Hey Rod

Where did you get your new brake hoses from, and was the price reasonable?

I went to Enzed to buy some hose and fittings to make my own hoses (for 3 bikes). The bloke behind the counter said they'd make the hoses for me at about $100 per hose (depending on fittings) but wouldn't sell me the components. He reckons it's illegal to sell brake hose components as the made up hoses must have ADR compliance for road use. Sounds like crap to me but in our nanny-state who knows? At his price I'd be up for over $1000 to do the 3 bikes so I'd rather buy a length of hose and a handful of fittings and do them myself.

Is there somewhere I can buy components on-line? I've tried googling but nobody seems to have an on-line catalogue for brake hoses and fittings.

Finally, can anyone confirm exactly what the thread is on the brembo hoses? It measures 9.5mm which seems like a 3/8" thread to me.Cheers,
Cam
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10mmx1.0

              Dave
 
mcnicol said:
shedbob said:
On my tail light lens the reflector element sits directly behind the bulb & was blocking most of the light.
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That was something I noticed on my '73 3c with the original reflector, especially when I was trying to fit the lowest wattage bulbs I could use because of the hopelessly inadequate alternator. The reflector element in the lens blocked out most of the light from the bulb.
Problem was solved when I was washing the bike one day and the centrally mounted plastic lens element that covered the reflector just came off as I was washing it! :o The reflector was just a piece of reflective paper that got wet and separated. I peeled/scraped the rest of the paper off, glued the plastic bit back in place, and now I had a lens that probably wasn't as reflective as the original but had much higher visibility 8).
I've noticed that newer CEV lenses don't seem to have the reflective paper sandwich, just moulded in 1 piece. Looks like the reflective paper idea may not have been such a good one ::).

Ken
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I bought my brake hoses directly from Motalia UK...They are braided and shrouded to look like oe. Motalia also offered a very rerasonable service on refurbishing the rear master cylinder...

joe
 
Interesting photo Pete. My hoses don't have banjo fittings at the splitter. They have male threaded fittings on them. When I bought the bike, the PO gave me a pile of bits and pieces, amongst which there was a set of hoses with 90o bent banjo ends on them. I was wondering where they came from. Your photo has answered that question.

Cheers,
Cam

PS: Found John Stamnas' web site http://www.johnstamnas.com.au/. Sent him an email. Thanks Rob.
 
As Drikko has canned John Stammas quality of work, just buy the fittings from him and make your own. He did make my rear brake hose for the motodd and at the time ask me about the angles of the fittings in relation to each other so it bolted on without any need for twisting the hose.
At the time I was impressed with his level of detail. That was 12 years ago, obviously he's made enough dosh not to care that much anymore!!
The Goodridge stainless fittings and hose I made for the SFC 28 years ago still look like new.
These days you can buy bling coloured anodised ally fittings for that really tacky look if you so like!!
 
G'day Rob

Yeah, I sent him an email asking if I could buy the hose and fittings separately. No response yet.
Re the bling colours: yes I thought about that - for about 3 seconds! I reckon it would look a bit gay on my grubby old bike.

Cheers,
Cam
 
Hey I didn't can him, just said I read some less than complementary comments about his quality, they may well b e unsubstantiated. Maybe I should retract the comment!

 
I'd steer well clear of the bling anodised brake fittings - I had an anodised brake bolt disintegrate when I was trying to  undo it (hated the bling and was going to replace it with a stainless one I had - ended up replacing the caliper). It's not like I was even being rough with it.

Come to think of it, one of the local gixxer boys had a lucky escape when a blue anodised oiler cooler fitting let go at a temporary traffic light - moments earlier he'd been hooning & the high pressure not oil would have played hell with his rear wheel grip...
 
Rocket,

Are the pics of your bike?

If so, please check the RH downtube.  There's a line in the frame paint that looks very like the beginning of a hairline crack.  Might only be a bit of mozzie crap, but doesn't take much to be sure.

piet
 
Hi Piet,
You had me worried with your keen observation of the RH downtube. Fortunately there is no cracking, just some surface impacts from bugs, stones, surface rust etc. phew! These digital cameras tend to make surface imperfections look a lot worse. I must read up on colour balancing a camera.

Cam,
I took up Red's offer to get a set of breaklines made up by a mobile service guy. Cost was about $350 from memory which is not cheap but appears to be the going rate these days. Stefan mentions Spiegler as a source for breaklines and a catalog listing for 3C's.
I tried to find that but couldn't. Spielger have an agent at Eastern Creek NSW. You could order them and pick them up at the next BSFOS to save postage.  :)
Cheers,
Rod
 
Hey Cam let us know how much the lines cost by making them yourself. The manufactured ones seem expensive for what they are and the simpilcity of making them.
 
Has anyone tried the Goodridge or Venhill sets available from Ebay UK? The Goodridge set is around AUD $155 including postage to Australia and includes the 3 front lines for std fitment and rear line, and have stainless ends. Says they are for 78 onwards 1000's but assume they would still fit the earlier models?

Sound like a good price if they are OK gear.
 
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