Fuel costs where you live

Laverdalothar said:
Not of me personally, but yes, Germany currently is dependent on russias oil and gas. I hope we can change this in the near future. Not saying we will be able to replace gas and oil completely, but I hope we can open us up for more offerings than just Russia's ... The best would be to be completely independent of any offering from outside, but that won't be possible. Any step closer to that is a success though.
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I just cannot understand why Germany closed its nuclear powerplants a few years back…….
 
Very easy, Alzero: we did not find a good place to store the nuclear waste securely enough and thought it might make more sense to invest into technologies that do not poisen our drinking water, change our DNA or cause problems to our grand children that they might not be able to cope with.

Unfortunately, people in Germany prevented these systems to be built or the necessary power-cables to be put into the ground. Now we have wind turbins, solar panels and water energy generators that could power most of our country but have no way to bring the electricity from the production side to the consumers. Windparks in the north sea f.e. are widely not connected to our power system...

Once this is solved (hopefully...) and more households are getting solar panels to cover 80 - 90% of their consumption with it, we are good to stop nuclear plants, brown cohle plants and other poluting systems. takes a while though to turn a complete country upside-down... :)
 
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Laverdalothar said:
Very easy, Alzero: we did not find a good place to store the nuclear waste securely enough and thought it might make more sense to invest into technologies that do not poisen our drinking water, change our DNA or cause problems to our grand children that they might not be able to cope with.

Unfortunately, people in Germany prevented these systems to be built or the necessary power-cables to be put into the ground. Now we have wind turbins, solar panels and water energy generators that could power most of our country but have no way to bring the electricity from the production side to the consumers. Windparks in the north sea f.e. are widely not connected to our power system...

Once this is solved (hopefully...) and more households are getting solar panels to cover 80 - 90% of their consumption with it, we are good to stop nuclear plants, brown cohle plants and other poluting systems. takes a while though to turn a complete country upside-down... :)
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Can France send you your nuclear waste back Lothar?

Paul
 
Alzero said:
I just cannot understand why Germany closed its nuclear powerplants a few years back…….
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The progressive left found a better way, windmills and solar panels. Of course they gotta have fossil fuels when the other two can’t keep up, and you need fossil fuels to build and replace windmills and solar panels with their finite life. But hey, big time browny points from virtue signalling!!
 
Tippie said:
n Norway atm, equiv to about €2,7 a litre petrol and diesel same, forecast to go up to €4 within a few months.
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Tippie has to win the sympathy price with the most expensive petrol to date. That works out to be $US 56.24 to fill the Jota tank:eek:, assuming you only add 19 liters so it does not spill out when you hit the brakes or for me when I lay the bike on its side:ROFLMAO:.
Solar, yes it is a great alternative to fossil fuels, windpower err not so much, very expensive to build, lots of maintenance and moving parts to service. All wind generators require petroleum products for lubrication not to mention diesel for graders, bulldozers, cranes trucks to install and erect them. Often it is 20 plus years to recover their costs of construction and only then they might become cost-effective, it is like pissing into the wind, you can do it but why would you?
 
78jotadave said:
That works out to be $US 56.24 to fill the Jota tank:eek:
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Fast forward to 2035: A motorcyclist pulls into a service station, asks where the petrol bowser is, all he can see is vehicles plugged into electric outlets and hydrogen boosters.

On seeing the riders Laverda key ring, he says “Oh you’re looking for fossil fuel”
 
Steve G. said:
The progressive left found a better way, windmills and solar panels. Of course they gotta have fossil fuels when the other two can’t keep up, and you need fossil fuels to build and replace windmills and solar panels with their finite life. But hey, big time browny points from virtue signalling!!
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Gotta start somewhere - either that or continue on the current path - explain that to my kids and the tens of thousands of Australians currently dealing with bizarre weather patterns, insane flood levels now, scary as shit bushfires two years ago ... you either believe we need to start looking at alternatives or you don't.
 
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No one ever mentions the embedded energy and cost of nuclear power. There is a huge amount of dirt to be dug to get the uranium and the waste from those sites is radioactive. Naturally fossil fuel is used in huge amounts to strip overburden (ie the natural environment) and then mine the stuff and build the waste dumps and pond. The refinement process also requires construction of plants and the use of energy. The power stations are hugely expensive to construct and do have a limited lifespan and the current economics demonstrate that a new power station starting construction today will never run at a profit. So who is going to build them?

Then there is still the problem of the nuclear waste, not just the fuel rods but the water used to cool the rods and the remains of the power plant.

Fission will be the way to go if they can ever get the operating temperature sorted.
 
I was watching a TV show on SBS about the latest Nuclear Power Station built in Britain and oddly financed by the Chinese. Holy hell that's one Massive Job with hopefully Massive redundancy built-in, Engineering to eye-watering tolerances. Nothing is ever easy. I was wondering why they build on the coast after Fukushima, BTW they also built a sea wall to stop Tidal Waves, did a lot of modelling for that, it didn't look to Tidal Wave resistant to me but what do I know, and there is a good reason. They need a constant water supply for cooling so they dug 3 tunnels 5ks out to sea to supply the water needed. That's the non-contaminated water, the contaminated is recycled and not hopefully released. So from memory, this build will take decades and arrive just as another Nuclear plant gets retired. Very interesting show that taught me a lot.
 
$2.87/litre of 91 - then also less my superannuitant discount of 9c/l - at the local NPD. Quite a drop overnight after the govt cut the tax on fuel as a temporary measure.
 
piranha-bro2 said:
Gotta start somewhere - either that or continue on the current path - explain that to my kids and the tens of thousands of Australians currently dealing with bizarre weather patterns, insane flood levels now, scary as shit bushfires two years ago ... you either believe we need to start looking at alternatives or you don't.
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Better sell your bike. Laverda a are kinda thirsty, and motorcycles in the first world, honestly , are fuel burning, carbon emitting leisure devices.
Step up to the plate. Hypocrisy must be a heavy burden, grinding one’s’ teeth in guilt.
 
Davo said:
No one ever mentions the embedded energy and cost of nuclear power.

Then there is still the problem of the nuclear waste, not just the fuel rods but the water used to cool the rods and the remains of the power plant.
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I think the rods are cooled with liquid sodium though I expect there will be problems there too....
 
The last time oil was near this price here the cost at the pump was half what it is now. Hydrocarbons are used in the plastics that are in virtually every thing built today, we are totally dependent on them. Rather that "sell your bike then" you would do better to keep it going for as long as you can. The more shit people buy the more energy that has to be used to replace it. Uber-green Norway leading the world with battery powered cars has most people on their second or third new one already as the range and exclusivity goes ever up. Hardly a school kid walks here any more, they are all on uber-green battery kick scooters, and what will happen to those scooters when their batteries get worn out. "Ah but they are so very re-cyclable". They are phasing out hydrocarbon fuelled transport (I fucking hate the term fossil fuel) for something that has no exhaust at the user end, but that is only a very small part of the equation.
 
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