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I don't mind paying taxes if they are put to use to benefit the entire society. What I cannot stand is the whingeing and whining of the obscenely rich that contribute least to society, but benefit the most and use any possible angle and loophole (legal or otherwise) to further increase their wealth.

"Eat the rich" makes a lot of sense to me.

piet
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The richest people in Germany are:

PosName / FamilieUnternehmen / Branche
1Dieter SchwarzLidel, Schwarz-Gruppe
2Susanne KlattenBMW, Altana
3Stefan QuandtBMW
4Michael OttoOtto Gruppe

Lidl has 100.000 employees
BMW has 133.000 employees
Otto has about 44.000 Employees

Assuming that in average, still one person per household feeds 3-4 mouthes in Germanny, 275.000 Households means roughly 800.000 people that these rich 4 people's companies feed, make them able to pay their rent, make them able to raise children and get them educated, go on vacation, pay for their pensions etc. etc. etc.. These employees pay income-tax, VAT and lots of other taxes, all paid by the rich's money which they only get because the rich lead the companies into the future and make sure, there is still money to earn next year. And that partly since decades...

BTW: The german government lost lots of rich german tax payers to Switzerland, Austria, Monaco and other countries because Germany was not very flexible on the tax payment and rich people had to pay way to much tax (Michael Schumacher, Steffi Graf, Boris Becker and many, many, many more...).

It is wrong to think that if you suck more money out of the rich's pockets by increasing taxes for them, the country would be better off. If they are that rich, they can afford to move their whole live into countries where they pay WAY less...

Further to that: one would sum up the black money received by some people and assume they had paid tax on it, social security, pension etc., this would have had at least some positive impact on the pensions you would get... (Not pointing here to anyone in specific, please...).

I would be VERY happy to pay 1 Million in taxes. Because that means, I have earned at least 2... ;)

BTW: My wife is a tax consultant.
 
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The worlds biggest earners are corporations and they are brilliant at avoiding tax, as are their major wealthy shareholders. The mug worker carries the burden. Any government that tries to alter that seems to get shafted for some reason.
 
sfcpiet said:
My working life made me eligible for a pension, the time determines the volume. My money went to pay the pensions of my predecessors, people now at work are paying for my pension. At least that's how it works here. If I were to only get back what I paid, things would be looking rather grim for me.

As the working demographic shrinks, so does the income for the pension funding, unless the contribution is raised.

I don't mind paying taxes if they are put to use to benefit the entire society. What I cannot stand is the whingeing and whining of the obscenely rich that contribute least to society, but benefit the most and use any possible angle and loophole (legal or otherwise) to further increase their wealth.

"Eat the rich" makes a lot of sense to me.

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Not to mention the very moderately well off who boast having got nowhere all by themselves and whine about having to pay for the multitude of slightly less well off who're obviously less intelligent and capable than them.
Until they need help that is.

Paul
 
But for each Euro they give you as an employee you earn, they make 100, Lothar.

They didn't become that rich without reason. Capitalism has been exploiting the "lower" classes for centuries, if they paid as much tax as we do, society on a whole would be far better off. Conservative governments world-wide have done their very best to ensure the wealthiest needn't contribute their fair share to the well-being of their country. And still, they evade as much tax as possible, they've mostly become greedy cunts, or their accountants and managers are. I'd tip my hat to all those you named if they had remained resident in Germany.

In the beginning of industrialisation, many risks and challenges needed to be faced and overcome. All the best to those that succeeded. But Klatten and Quandt for example, fell into a bed of roses... they weren't born with a silver spoon in their mouth, they had a complete cutlery set in gold with diamonds. They simply inherited their millions, and haven't needed to work hard a single day to multiply them.

No living person "needs" 200+ billion dollars. Bezos sucks bucks from each and every employee while striving to keep unions out of his warehouses. One day of striking would cost him more than if he'd pay his people an approriate wage to start with. But his forte is exploiting those that have no other choice. I sort of like the fact that his ex-wife has donated very large portions of her divorce settlement to various charities and remains the 4th richest woman in the US.

The list is a long one...

BTW Lothar, my income is so small, I pay next to no taxes at all. I just manage to scrape along by the skin of my teeth and I am by no means moaning. I'm very well aware there are a lot more far worse off than I. It's the higher middle class here that carries society, the top 5% do next to nothing (except for pissing off to Switzerland, Monaco, etc.).

No further comments...

piet
 
As queen Marie Antoinette is reputed to have said when the people of Paris marched on Versailles asking for bread "give them brioche".
She was done away with as was part of the then ruling class so as the business men could take over.
Paul
 
sfcpiet said:
My working life made me eligible for a pension, the time determines the volume. My money went to pay the pensions of my predecessors, people now at work are paying for my pension. At least that's how it works here. If I were to only get back what I paid, things would be looking rather grim for me.

As the working demographic shrinks, so does the income for the pension funding, unless the contribution is raised.

I don't mind paying taxes if they are put to use to benefit the entire society. What I cannot stand is the whingeing and whining of the obscenely rich that contribute least to society, but benefit the most and use any possible angle and loophole (legal or otherwise) to further increase their wealth.

"Eat the rich" makes a lot of sense to me.

piet
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Cool movie, so stop complaining now and enjoy life:D
 

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There is that word again, that no one in the continental US has any idea what it means. You are either a Robber Barron or a Bulshi. You know it's possible to combine the best of both and not have a lot of your citizens at each other's throats and a lot of the Western democracies manage that quite well, not including this mythical beast that's going on at the moment by the name of Inflation. I was thinking about this last night. It suddenly appeared like Hality's Comet twice in my life. And in both occasions, the cue apparently is to suffocate the world's economy right up to the point of death causing billions to suffer just so we just stop buying stuff. The egg heads are terrified we will succumb to a wage-price spiral just like the last time this happened in the 1970s. My bet is This will go on for approximately a decade and then it will just disappear again. It's like it was MADE to happen by some all-powerful instrument. Probably just me being paranoid again. Anyway back to the salt mines for me before the boss noticed I am sowing rebellion again.
 
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Where did you read that? In the minutes of the Trump failed coup trial?
Mc Carthy is dead and buried.
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Oh dont worry, the magic money tree state will provide, tax more, work less, retire earlier..planet Zarg , from champagne Socialists with expensive Classic bikes on fat pensions.
 
I recall reading a book many years ago set in the near future where the tax burden on the shrinking younger working population to support the ever increasing older population got so great that social chaos ensued. Violence against and mass suicides of the oldies. I quite enjoyed it as a teenager. Not such a great scenario now I'm 65.
 
paulincayman said:
I recall reading a book many years ago set in the near future where the tax burden on the shrinking younger working population to support the ever increasing older population got so great that social chaos ensued. Violence against and mass suicides of the oldies. I quite enjoyed it as a teenager. Not such a great scenario now I'm 65.
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'Logan's Run' by William F. Nolan and George Clayton Johnson.
 
I paid for my pension through superannuation contributions, the government changed the military superannuation scheme in 92 and you had to elect to remain in the old scheme (DFRDB), to qualify you had to serve a minimum of twenty years and couldn't receive the benefits until retirement age of 65.
Of course the government bombarded us with statistics but I remember discussing it with my mate in the submarine school and we formed our decision that the government would change the scheme only if it was to their benefit which meant it wasn't good for us.
If you come across an old Australian Defence Force bod, just ask them DFRDB or MSBS?
 
Not Logan's Run , was a book not a tv show.,I think the book ended with monkeys runnng across a keyboard to the point where the computer interpreted the chaotic inputs as self destruction on the planet.. Memory a bit forget of course
 
They did the same with The Building Industry Long Service scheme, a percentage of council fees goes into anyone who joined and can document work in the industry. It was badly needed, lots would retrench workers a week before they qualified after 10 years losing their benefits. The new scheme fixed that After 20 years there were Billions in the scheme, to temping for the State Gov, so they started dipping into it and calling it consolidated revenue. So every 10 years you get 3 months' s of the award wage, approx $4k. Brilent thing.
 
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