Laverdas bomb at Bonham's Stafford auction

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German state health care was enacted by Cancellor Otto Fürst von Bismark in 1883, a feudalism regime still in place. Never ends to amaze me how individuals outside Europe seem to think that a state run health care system is socialist or commy! But hey, maybe the democratic way is paying a kings ransom every month to be health insured and never knowing if your health care provider will cancel the policy if they deem your coverage not profitable anymore.....
 
German state health care was enacted by Cancellor Otto Fürst von Bismark in 1883, a feudalism regime still in place. Never ends to amaze me how individuals outside Europe seem to think that a state run health care system is socialist or commy! But hey, maybe the democratic way is paying a kings ransom every month to be health insured and never knowing if your health care provider will cancel the policy if they deem your coverage not profitable anymore.....
Nice fella, started a few wars too...and not a socialist it seems..extract below from Wiki..😁

Bismarck responded by ending the Kulturkampf, breaking with the Liberals, and forming a political alliance with the Centre Party to fight the Socialists
 
Sorry Loathar that's a bit rude of me. To explain my short comment. This is an argument based on semantics or definitions of a word. Historically and technically you may be correct. In my world, socialism is completely different to full-blown Communism. To me, it's all about an Ozzie saying that goes "Everybody gets a fair go", and those that don't win in life for whatever reason don't stave or die for lack of assess to a medical system. It also helps if you don't crush an aspirational middle class that earns a livable wage and should be able to buy a house and live a life just like past generations did. Why would any of that be controversial, but boy does that word ruffle feathers for some strange reason. I better get back world championship boring posts about aerodynamic fixes to Atlas windscreens. I really like Leg's post above, quoted for truth.

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My comment was how socialism is viewed by our cousins across the pond: what they call their democracy others see as rampant capitalism, what they see as socialism on the other side of the pond is considered democracy.
 
Hi Vince, no offense taken here (and hope also not on your side really, at least that wasn't my intention). @Legs has put it exactly right and if you see it the same way, we have a common understanding. Due to the fact that I worked for american companies for roughly 30 years now, I also follow (at least what is publically available) what is going on over there. Also, I have worked with Russia, Poland etc. when the USSR still existed, have traveld to Russia in the 90's, to Cuba just some years ago. I grew up in a time where the cold war 1 was still going on, I was mid 20's when the wall that separated east germany from west germany fell and the eastern european countries opened up. I have friends that grew up in the former GDR (eastern Germany), friends from Russia who have relatives in Russia and in Ukraine and currently go mad as basically their family has to fight each other etc.. So - I think I am having some insights into these systems, the menthality of the people and at least a bit of history. Not to speak about my own family's history in WW2 and before.

For someone having grown up in a social democratic system with a working health insurance, unemployment insurance and several other safety nets that catch you when you struggle or fall (and having had to make use of it from time to time but also happily pay for it!), I can not understand what should be wrong with having such security features for people that struggle or suffer. US now has Obama-Care - is it now a socialistic state? No (allthough the right-wingers wanted the folks to believe that...) - it just became a bit more social...

Regarding the mid-class... It's a question of measurement. In Germany, you are defined being rich if your monthly income is higher than 4.560€ as a single according to google. I know LOTS of people that fall into that category, even my two sons (without having studied and in their mid-20's...)... I wouldn't call them rich though. And once they get married and have kids, they are not rich anymore by definition, even with a higher income, as that is devided then statistically between them, their wife and the kids... If you have a house in Germany, you are already statistically rich (if paid full) as long as the house is worth more than 450.000€ (in my region it's hard to find a house cheaper than that...). So - "rich" or "midclass" all depends on definitions. by this definition, 16,2 Million People in Germany (roughly 20%) are rich, as they have a house. ;-) Are they within the top 5%? Obviously not all of them though. I would call most of them (like me) "middclass" like all my neighbors. Statistic would call all of us rich.

I call myself rich not for the money or house I have, I call myself rich for the family and friends I have. All a question of definition... ;)
 
Don`t know ( or want to know ) about auction houses ........ but if you take a trip up to Newcastle upon Tyne , M&S have a nice looking 1200TS ( minus cockpit fairing ) for £ 8995 .......... They also have a very clean looking gold / black frame `77 Jota ( although with that paint , more likely a `78 , am I not right ? ) ..... going at £14995 .......... Only a £6000 difference ........ I know which one I would go for ....... unless I was rich ... then it would be the Jota .......

Nine grand is bugger all nowadays .... so is fifteen big ones ....... that`s still about seven grand short of the price of a reasonably performing ( new ) motorcycle in 2023 ......

So , seeing I`m poor ..... I would go for the TS .... ( although what I really wouldn`t mind is one of those Europe only 2024 XSR900 GP`s in Marlboro colours that`s just been announced .... but that`s likely to be around £12000 ) ..... So I guess I`ll stick with cheap Laverdas ....

( Sorry to hijack this thread ...... :) ..... ) ......
 
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Wonder what kind of oil the bike in question has been using? Wrong oil will surely reduce its cost at least 75%!!!
 
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