More money than brains.

 
Reaching for the stars, that’s for sure!

However, at least it is original and looks to be a 100 point machine.

I actually strongly chastise ‘living carbon entities’ who decide to “personalize “ their machines, either to a chipper, or to their version of a cafe racer, mostly cringe worthy abominations. And then consider their personalization to increase the value of their POS. Gladly most donor bikes are worthless cruisers of various origin, but I’ve recently seen a very high collectable early 70’s bike completely destroyed by a self professed cafe expert.
 
Steve G. said:
Reaching for the stars, that’s for sure!

However, at least it is original and looks to be a 100 point machine.

I actually strongly chastise ‘living carbon entities’ who decide to “personalize “ their machines, either to a chipper, or to their version of a cafe racer, mostly cringe worthy abominations. And then consider their personalization to increase the value of their POS. Gladly most donor bikes are worthless cruisers of various origin, but I’ve recently seen a very high collectable early 70’s bike completely destroyed by a self professed cafe expert.
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Would you like to elaborate on that Steve?
 
That shop has been highlighted here before. Expensive, but first class restorations and presentation. Aren’t they the ones who partnered with the Musee Laverda?
 
So then, what do you think of this one? Not so long ago, Ruote Da Sogno had several 1940s and 50s scooters for a lot more. All sold apparently.
Maybe scooter prices are like number plate prices i.e. incomprehensible but somehow justifiable to those with more money than brains.
 
We have had this discussion before. These guys are after a different market and they seem to be fulfilling a demand, at least, they appear to be selling enough to keep the doors open. You disagree with them, but the public is speaking with their wallets. There are enough bikes out there to keep both the collectors and the riders happy.
 
That’s the natural way of the ‘free market’. Ask a price inconsistent with the current value the market is dictating, and the machine/product will sit and do nothing. Ask a price much lower than its understood value and you have a bidders war .
 
Something similar to what Paul has posted about has been going on in the American muscle car market for years. Matching numbers original cars are selling for astronomical prices and are too valuable to drive except for very rare occasions. The market has responded by building replicas that give an identical driving experience and excepting the frame and engine numbers are visually identical as well. These “tribute” cars or replicas are becoming quite common and allow ordinary people to experience 99.9% of the original.

Should the €185,000 SFC become the norm, I would expect the same thing to happen and so what? If it looks like an SFC, sounds like an SFC and rides like an SFC plus is affordable enough to ride every weekend rain or shine, what’s the problem? And if, as a side effect, the €185,000 SFC brings the price of the ordinary twins up a few hundred euros, then maybe it will make financial sense to restore more of them too. The only losers are those who have been accustomed to buying rare bikes at cut-rate prices and those with extensive collections faced with rising insurance premiums to cover the new values.
 
Steve G. said:
That’s the natural way of the ‘free market’. Ask a price inconsistent with the current value the market is dictating, and the machine/product will sit and do nothing. Ask a price much lower than its understood value and you have a bidders war .
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The problem with the market is its dictatorship.
Very inconsistent with anything free. 🙄
Paul
 
Alzero said:
Something similar to what Paul has posted about has been going on in the American muscle car market for years. Matching numbers original cars are selling for astronomical prices and are too valuable to drive except for very rare occasions. The market has responded by building replicas that give an identical driving experience and excepting the frame and engine numbers are visually identical as well. These “tribute” cars or replicas are becoming quite common and allow ordinary people to experience 99.9% of the original.

Should the €185,000 SFC become the norm, I would expect the same thing to happen and so what? If it looks like an SFC, sounds like an SFC and rides like an SFC plus is affordable enough to ride every weekend rain or shine, what’s the problem? And if, as a side effect, the €185,000 SFC brings the price of the ordinary twins up a few hundred euros, then maybe it will make financial sense to restore more of them too. The only losers are those who have been accustomed to buying rare bikes at cut-rate prices and those with extensive collections faced with rising insurance premiums to cover the new values.
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The problem with re-creations is simply that it encourages crooks.
It doesn't allow real people to experience SFCs or muscle cars or van Goghs or Bugattis or Rembrandts or Ferraris.
Paul
 
Paul Marx said:
The problem with the market is its dictatorship.
Very inconsistent with anything free. 🙄
Paul
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Dictatorship??? No, it’s called free market.
An Eastern German 30 yrs ago having to wait 9 yrs in line to buy a Trabant POS car, that’s dictatorship.
 
Alzero said:
Something similar to what Paul has posted about has been going on in the American muscle car market for years. Matching numbers original cars are selling for astronomical prices and are too valuable to drive except for very rare occasions. The market has responded by building replicas that give an identical driving experience and excepting the frame and engine numbers are visually identical as well. These “tribute” cars or replicas are becoming quite common and allow ordinary people to experience 99.9% of the original.

Should the €185,000 SFC become the norm, I would expect the same thing to happen and so what? If it looks like an SFC, sounds like an SFC and rides like an SFC plus is affordable enough to ride every weekend rain or shine, what’s the problem? And if, as a side effect, the €185,000 SFC brings the price of the ordinary twins up a few hundred euros, then maybe it will make financial sense to restore more of them too. The only losers are those who have been accustomed to buying rare bikes at cut-rate prices and those with extensive collections faced with rising insurance premiums to cover the new values.
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Lack of confidence in government back money had caused smart people to purchase commodities which retain their value better than paper money. Chrysler Hemi Cudas used to be a great investment, now they are huge money. Smart people are now buying motorcycles ‘of note’, watches, art, heck even collectable tractors! It’s entirely predictable.
 
Steve G. said:
Dictatorship??? No, it’s called free market.
An Eastern German 30 yrs ago having to wait 9 yrs in line to buy a Trabant POS car, that’s dictatorship.
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So is countries defending free market for themselves but intervening in the affairs of other countries to defend their free market and their wealthy people. Intervening by corruption, murder and military interventions. There's a lot more to humans than cars in dealer show rooms.
To each his rose tinted glasses.
Nuff said.
Paul
 
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