Oil level

Cosi said:
So would you say that if you ran synthetic in a older engine that it would be the sludge dislodging from the slingers that may be the cause of the clutch slip, not the oil? When we pulled the gelati down last time the Boss did comment on how spotless it was inside

Don't think so Cosi.

The clutch actually produces quite a lot of sludge itself, usually flung to the circumference of the drum through centrifugal forces.

Most clutch slippage I come across stems from over-heated and warped plain clutch plates, sometimes from excessive wear on either clutch drum or hub.

A few oils on the market just aren't suitable for wet motorcycle clutches, this is usually found out the hard way...

I'd be far more worried about the solids being washed through the big ends, they don't particulaly like that!

piet
 
redax5 said:
Blab,
You have Penrite MC-4ST 20W-60 Premium mineral oil in the engine at the moment.

Oh did someone mention Penrite


A better class of oil  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

Aussie made and all.


 
Dale said:
Probably been discussed before, but wonder if someone would give their opinion on this:

Experience with older cars has taught me that modern (Synthetic/detergent) oils can be bad for older motors.
My SF2 has done about 35,000km, and the motor is un-opened.

Will modern oils with detergents etc be OK?
Should I consider going up in viscosity?  (20/50 instead of 15/40).

Or does the legendary robustness of the Lav motor not warrant this?

Most engine oils have had detergents as an additive package since the 1970s. Back in the 1970s you would find non-detergent oils on the shelf..and the oil can (remember those?) would indicate non-detergent on the label. Most non-detergent engine oils were a 30w as I recall. The 20w50 oils were considered very avant guard and that is what Laverda recommended for warm weather. I don't remember a regular 20w50 non-detergent oil being sold. "Racing" engine oils were typically non-detergent and labeled as such, but not always. "Racing" oils were to be changed very often.

If you check the manufacturer of the oil you have been using over the years..unless the oil container says non-detergent you have been running oil with cleaners in it.

I use 15w40 and 20w50 depending on the climate..no problem.

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Hi, Best oil for your engine is normaly what it was developed on. Modern oils are extremly slippery and full of polymers that the action of the rollers in the bearings break down. So pick what suits you and your wallet.
Regards andy
 
If you used Castrol 20w50 back in the 70's it had detergents..very stout oil back in the day.
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An old racing favorite Kendall GT-1 20w50..it has an API SE (gasoline engine) and CC (Diesel engine) spec on the can..high detergent with the diesel specs. Used this oil back in the 70's in my 3C.
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Correct me if I am wrong but as I understand it the problem with detergent in oil is not when it is used in relatively new and unworn engines but in older or worn engines where trapped particles and sludge may be 'washed' or dislodged during use and wreck havoc when moved around the engine. Thus if your 3C was pretty new and mechanically in good condition it would have been ok.
 
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