Palmelli SFC value??

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Can anyone help me value what I am led to believe is a 1975 Palmelli SFC I am hoping to buy!

I have the difficult situation where I don't know what it's worth, and the owner doesn't know how much he wants for it as he doesn't know it's value either.
Owned by him since 1996 and looks in excellent condition.
Any help to what this machine is and it’s value would be appreciated. TIA.
 

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The price is extremely dependent on:
- whether real SFC parts were installed in the engine

- the technical condition of the engine and the rest

- History

A rough estimate of what the part would be worth to me:

Normal engine installed in good condition, rest and history ok = 10 - 12,000 EUR

As above with a bad normal engine = 6 - 8,500 EUR

Everything is great, original Palmelli and with a good SFC engine = EUR 18-24,000.

This is just my personal opinion !!!

Thomas aus LAU
 
European and even GB prices can be vastly different, this is a new one on me, but not the first "difficuklt" valuation that I have done by far, most bikes have some sort of similar bike selling in recent times as a historical guide, but remeber what people ask is not always what they get, there are a few dealers around the UK that are aslking high prices and not getting the bikes sold, that is until the one punter who will pay it shos up, sometimes more than a year, and in a few cases more than three years.

My own feelings is that this Palmelli, would be on a par with a very good SF2, if it could be proven that the engine had SFC internals, then the price would increase and if an SFC gearbox, then (maybe) some way between the SF3 and a genuine SFC

£9000 for a mint SF2? (they have been going up)
£40,000 for a mint SFC? (they have dropped a bit since the high of 2012)

so Palmelli with stock engine (very likely as most were built from SF2's) £9000
Palmelli with proven SFC internals £20,000 absolute tops, probably a lot less, witness the 750 Egli with (purported) race history that failed to sell recently at £16,000, it (sort of) comes into the same category)

My opinion is that rareity is not going to increase the price much, if at all, top money these days goes to top, stock bikes, lots are returning their modified bikes back to stock, or as near as they can get., remember you can easily buy a stock frame or an SFC replica frame for not a huge amount of money, the rest is bolt on's

In the end its worth what you are prepared to pay, if the seller will accept it.
CLEM
dating and valuation officer for ILOC and frequently getting it wrong!
 
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Palmelli have home built engines, with a 270° crank if I remember correctly.

I agree with Clem, the price of standard 750s may go up, certainly not specials. Too many about. But the Palmelli is special if you live in the UK.
A bit like Ducati singles. A lot have been massacred to make racer lookalikes. Not even orange.

Paul
 
Didn't know Palmelli made replica SFCs. Looks like a reasonable job at a replica.

Pretty sure the 270 crank went into the ground-up new Palmelli, custom built everything (I was emailing with Steve Elliott after I'd done my 270 conversion back in the 90s). Doubt the cranks would be SFC even in them.

Mr Todd got his hands on a lovely example a few years ago.
 
Didn't know Palmelli made replica SFCs. Looks like a reasonable job at a replica.

Pretty sure the 270 crank went into the ground-up new Palmelli, custom built everything (I was emailing with Steve Elliott after I'd done my 270 conversion back in the 90s). Doubt the cranks would be SFC even in them.

Mr Todd got his hands on a lovely example a few years ago.
I wonder if Mr Todd didn't do the cranks?

Paul
 
not many Palmelli's at all, and it was the last one that was a 270, it made an attempt at some very modern styling, and swayed away from SFC rep per se, but somehow didn't quite work, there may have been others with the 270, but I doubt it, I think the one Mr Todd had was the property of the partner in crime to Steve Elliot (who was an incredibly talented and good road racer on his SFC) the partner being Mr Palmer.
Phil will tell us more for sure. The COD special that Marnix bought was also told to me to be 270, but I didn't believe it, and I didn't here it run, (which would have instantly confirmed/denied) and if I detect that someone is lying to me with a bike sale, I don't buy, So Marnix 360 or 270?

CLEM
 
Clem, the demo was a 270 crank it’s been sitting on my bench for 12 yrs now, so I would say at least 3 had 270 cranks
 
The Palmellis had SF spec engines with an optional ‘90 degree’ crank. Surely different cams could be ordered, but as far as I know, expensive SFC parts like f.i. close ratio gearboxes were never fitted.

By the way, I don’t recognise this bike as a Palmelli..

Marnix
 
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I'm almost positive that one experimental crank was phased to 180!! Not very successful apparently. When I was in contact with Steve he said vibes were a major downside of the new bike (not a replica, the modern design), but that may have been a 270. Not sure if balance factors had been modified for the 270s from a std 360 crank either. Phil - we want to hear from you!!
 
I'm almost positive that one experimental crank was phased to 180!! Not very successful apparently. When I was in contact with Steve he said vibes were a major downside of the new bike (not a replica, the modern design), but that may have been a 270. Not sure if balance factors had been modified for the 270s from a std 360 crank either. Phil - we want to hear from you!!
According to the article in Bike magazine, the first crank in Elliots SFC bored to 900 was 180° and it still vibrated too much.

Paul
 
I'm almost positive that one experimental crank was phased to 180!! Not very successful apparently. When I was in contact with Steve he said vibes were a major downside of the new bike (not a replica, the modern design), but that may have been a 270. Not sure if balance factors had been modified for the 270s from a std 360 crank either. Phil - we want to hear from you!!
That’s right, as discussed elsewhere earlier this week, but shouldn’t mix up Elliots racing exploits (Electronica SFC) with the later Palmelli activity (replicas).

Marnix
 
The CND has a 270 crank.

Thank Marnix, very odd that there was a refusal to start the engine for me, instant off put regardless of crank phasing, how is the bike currently, add a photo?
CLEM
 
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