Obvasly I need to simply expain this, I want to measure what is happening eg what is coming out of the plug on my bike. If I do that and then do the same on the plug in my car and the plug on the Pantah I will have a direct comparison and an idea of what is happening when the phone actually stays on in the car but not the bike. On the 3c it's in full sun so that's a variable in this situation and could be overheating it. It also could be overcharging and getting hot and switching off to protect itself or undercharging and just dying. I don't know but I am curious, but I am curious about everything and have been my whole life, I have a burning desire to know what is happening. That drives me in the whole scheme of Motorcycling, and lately more specifically in my Atlas that I and just about everyone else know nothing and the suspension faults in my 3c. And now to the main point, if you don't like the minutia I indulge in and CAPITALS AGAIN BECAUSE I AM PISSED OFF what a FORUM is, the discussion and exchange of ideas actually is and that involves lots of posting then as I said in another stupid exchange DONT READ IT. As an example, I don't get or understand that 3-word sentence thread getting attention so I just ignore it. You Tom and a few others get majorly amped when me and a few others engage, If it or anything else triggers you there is an easy fix. Ignore it. This concept of people posting too much is baffling to be, by what measure is this defined, and who decides? It's virtually and capitals again BOOK BURNING when people aggressively insist I shouldn't post that I deem appropriate and guess who loved that route? And I arrive at Gowins Law. I guess it is the Internet.