Photos of my new RGS Corsa

Brett said:
Top find it does look pukker and still has the small tabs to hold the back of the inner fairing in place which is rare in this day.........most bikes I see they not there anymore.

Interested about the number of the bike as it has black wheels it may have been a special order bike as its late in the run and by rights the second series had gold wheels so its kind of unique in this way.

As for the mirrors yep there are plenty suppliers out there for California's however the ones that Lav used had a few subtle add ons which are like hens teeth... they had small rubber tabs at the inner corners of the glass and also grommets. Good luck on finding new indicators but lenses can be had but the bodies hmm

Who says you need to rechrome the pipes clean em up and ride it first then make a call,( doesn't seem to bother my Silver Jota ) say Malcolm's RGS style pipes are real nice and sound great too boot had a pair on my RGS for a long time now and they are holding up.
I'd be worried more about the inside of the tank than that of the mufflers, if its had moisture in it for a long time they tend to rust out a the bottom front corners... but no biggy as can be fixed..........three are some great products about to sort that out. Just RGS tanks can be a pain to line but once done bob is your uncle.

Main concern with the original ignition is the wires to the pickups but a good sparkie can rewire ...........the boxes are fairly robust but can also die but this bike seems to be low use so would expect them to be OK but the biggest issue with the original ignitions is that they can be hard on starter clutches. Modern ignitions are a lot more gentle in this area.

Paper Air cleaners elements are also hard to come across but not impossible, an alternative paper solution can be had and with a little ingenuity can be re- manufactured  to suit.

Lets hope that the engine internals are OK and not ravaged by moisture if so you're one lucky man. If not then guess the engine will be off to Red to wave his magic over.  :o

Welcome to the Corsa family  :o Enjoy

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Thanks for all the info Brett, i must admit the tank is my main concern, fingers crossed it is OK.

Looking at your pic, i assume you are in Australia? Your Corsa looks great.

One of my mates on the Bimota forum has asked about my plans for the bike, clean or restore? As this bike seems exceptionally original, i hope i can just give here a ton of TLC, if i can get the engine looking up to spec i think a good detail is all she'll need, unless Craig has jinxed me with his frame problem :)
 
maurice turner said:
So Steve which state do you live in???

Hi Maurice,

I'm in Victoria, i was surrounded by Laverda's at the Festival of Italian Motorcycles in November, blissfully unaware i was about to join your ranks.

A mate of mine owned two of the finest Laverda's in Australia, a 81 Jota and SFC1000, they were featured in a two wheels "Italian Motorcycles" in the 90's. He had to sell them a few years ago, it almost killed him, i was sure he was going to get buried with his Jota. So he has been my inspiration to own a Laverda, man his Jota sounded fantastic... and the SFC1000 is one of the most beautiful motorcycles ever built....

I've always liked Laverdas, but Bimotas are what caught my heart... The only problem is now in my mid 50's, the Bimotas are a bit hard edged for the road and my joints, so the Laverda might get a bit of use.
 
rpo83 said:
Thanks Craig,

Just what i need to think about, a cracked frame, you are a ton of fun :)

How many RGS/Corsa/SFC's have needed this mod? When i was doing my initial research i didn't find the internet blowing up over broken frames, is this something to be aware of, or something that should be attended to even if no evidence of a problem?

I'll save your docs to my Laverda folder :)

Hi Steve,

Basically all of the triples suffered from this problem to some degree or other.  However, not to worry, it is something that comes on after continued hard use, and has quite visible symptoms for quite some time before anything dramatic happens.  Assuming the low kms on your bike are original (and it would appear to be the case) it's unlikely to have cracked just yet, but is something you should consider as a preventative measure, but not necessarily right away as a matter of urgency (pending inspection of the area).
Given how amazingly original this bike appears to be, I'd also suggest a cleanup rather than a full resto.  Original paint is only original once, if it's serviceable I'd just tidy it up and use it.  Depends on the level of corrosion you find when it arrives.  You're in the right place for plenty of help, the Vic Lav club are a mighty fine bunch.

Cheers
Another Steve

PS It was me Craig alluded to earlier, I documented my RGS frame strengthening on this page:
http://breganzane.com/rebuilds/rga/rga_phase1.php
It is a bit more comprehensive than required, but the headstem part is applicable.

PPS: FYI, a few pics of my Corsa also reside here:
http://breganzane.com/rebuilds/corsa/
With the passing of time, and changing tastes, I need to fix a few things to bring it back closer to standard.  I have most of the original bolts, which I'll get re-zinc'd and refit in place of the stainless ones I used back in the day.  I also need a set of the proper mirrors rather than those ones.  Oh, and the correct colour of black! (grumble grumble....)
 
Thanks Steve,

can the frame be gusseted while the bike is semi stripped of bodywork with care being taken, or does it really need to be stripped?

I've been scouring your page, you have done some great work over the years... How has the EFI been, it has been a few years since you started it?

Some photos of the paint make it look quite good, so i'm hoping i can give it a good detail and she'll look great. I've been involved with Aussie muscle cars in my youth, and to be honest most restorations are way over the top, the manufacturers would have never produced cars with the level of detail created. I'd rather have an original condition vehicle that i can enjoy using, which wears it's age with pride...

It's going to be a busy few months as i've bought a Bimota YB5 which is on it's way to Australia now, it should arrive at the end of the month, i'm busy trying to find places to put them... my garage needs a big cleanup. Luckily the Bimota is in stunning condition, so it shouldn't need much work. I don't think i'll have the Laverda on the road this year if it is in good condition, if it needs mechanical work, then maybe a couple of years.
 
rpo83 said:
can the frame be gusseted while the bike is semi stripped of bodywork with care being taken, or does it really need to be stripped?

G'day Steve

It's easier to do any modifications to a frame if it's stripped bare, but it is possible to weld gussets around the headstock without fully stripping the bike. I've done it that way myself (on an old Kawasaki Z1) without setting fire to the bike.

You'll obviously need to remove everything from around the area, including bodywork, cables, wiring, etc. You'll want to drop the front end out of the steering head too, and preferably remove the steering head bearings while you're at it. Cover the engine and other parts of the bike in fire blankets and other heat shielding. What you want is the bare front portion of the frame poking out from a bundle of fireproof blankets and hear shielding. 

Remove the paint from the frame for a good distance around the area to be welded. It'll make cleaning around the welds and re-painting easier if you don't have to scrape off old blistered paint.

I'm by no means an expert welder. I tend to use a stick welder for most jobs because that's what I'm used to. But I used TIG for the last frame gusseting job I did, and it puts a lot less heat into the surrounding metal than any other type of weld. If you're not handy at welding yourself, you can still do the preparation and then get someone in to do the welds.

PS: Rather than buying a gusset kit (I dunno if anyone still sells such a thing) it's easy enough to make up your own. Make cardboard templates first, then transfer the shape onto your steel plate. There are several designs to choose from, or you come up with your own. The photo below is my own version of bracing for an RGS frame.

Cheers,
Cam
 

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Thanks Cam,

well fingers crossed it is OK and i can enjoy a few rides, otherwise, if all the headstem bearings are shot, it might be worth doing what you say and getting it done.

I know an old school race car fabricator, i'll get him to do the work if it needs doing. Last time i was in there he was working on a Bugatti type 37... His welder is an artist...
 
Sounds like this Corsa will need a shitload of work....no problem I'LL take it off your hands  if you pay the shipping to Canada. All the suggestions offered are good ones and I have done all to my Corsa over the years. You may find those mufflers, which I think we're ugly anyway, will be rusty...and even if not,  likely no  chromer will put them in their tanks.

If your not into doing all the work suggested at once, do the basic mntce stuff first and the you can to the reinforced steering head....as long as it is not already cracked, new ignition, paint etc over time.  On the black wheeled Corsa you may find the black is flaking off around the outer edges of the rims pretty badly and will require a re do at some point.

Also if it has not been started in years I would remove the sparkplugs and either disconnect the ignition or ground the plugs( with gas  turned off and carbs dry) and turn the engine over via the starter until you see oil coming to the cams ( you need to remove cam covers to check the valve clearances anyway) before trying to start the Bike.







 
G'day Steve,

Great find.  Seems the bike hasn't been butchered at all, unlike many examples.

The frames generally hold up pretty well under "normal" use, it's usually the hard-pushed ones that give up.  The frame can be welded without stripping, I found my RGS to be cracked a week before I was due to leave for a long vacation trip!  I didn't have the time for a total strip-down, so I bared the headstock as well as possible and did it at home in the shed.  12 years on, all is well.

Lots of different opinions regarding frame bracing.  The factory gusset kits were meant for REPAIRING cracked frames, and were therefore a lot stronger/thicker and completely differently shaped than the gussets the factory added to the last few SFC1000 to prevent frame cracking.  If adding gussets as a preventive measure, I'd have a close look at how the factory did it, I have yet to find one of these to be cracked, despite the stonger front brake and forks that induce greater forces into the headstock.  When bracing such a frame, the induced forces don't disappear, they are mostly transferred to a different spot.  Strongly bracing one part might over-stress the adjoining.  Due to its age and the very basic materials used, I'd suspect the designers calculated to include a certain amount of frame flex.  If you do eventually decide to add gussets, I'd suggest you look into lengthening the headstock while you're at it.  This unloads both the headstock and fork legs to a degree, stiffening the forks in the process, simply by reducing the length of the stressed part of the stanchions.  All depends on your budget/ambitions of course.

I've always regarded the RGS, and especially the RGS Corsa, as the ultimate Gentlemans Express, not the sportsbike it was often promoted as (turned out the japs were far better at that!).  It was also built in an era when emissions were beginning to be taken very seriously, especially noise emissions.  Laverda went to great lengths to design an efficient intake and exhaust systems, and the bike works very nicely under all conditions with these systems.  I have a strong aversion to making more noise than necessary, I prefer to fly under the radar, and not give long-term notice of my arrival by fitting those stupid loud Jota cans.  These rarely fit well and throw up a handful of other issues.  The stock silencers tend to rust from the inside during use, good ones are rare these days.  OCT in Germany once commissioned a batch of replicas in stainless, externally and internally identical, but with a larger exit tube to avoid the extra drillings in the end cap that look just like the afterthought that they were.  I'm very happy with mine, they have held up well since fitting them in 2008.  Unfortunately, they have been sold out long ago...

Overall build quality of these bikes is head and shoulders above anything Laverda had built before.  This doesn't mean they're bullet-proof or there isn't scope for further perfecting though.  The silentbloc at the headstock carrying the fairing tends to soften with age, allowing the fairing to flop around excessively, straining the screen, headlamp mounts and the instrument internals.  Replacing the silentbloc with a solid alloy bar and renewing the tank mount rubbers holds everything in place nicely.  The battery doesn't need to be as big as that fitted by the factory, smaller modern gel-type 18 or 20Ah batteries do the job well.  While the red Motoplat coils fitted to some RGSs seem to have a bad reputation, I have found only one failure since I started working on these bikes in 1990.  Alternator wiring needs periodic checking, as does the tank over-flow hose and the balance hose connecting the carbs to one another.  Check engine mount rubbers, deteriorated ones can cause excessive vibration.  The all-rubber intake stubs are usually well past their use-by date, these can be replaced with the stubs used on the prior triple models.  At 17000km, carb wear shouldn't yet be a problem, but the carb linkage will be delighted over a drop of oil or 2.

The original ignition system tends to be quite reliable, for a while at least.  Main problem is ageing and deteriorating wiring to the pick-ups as Brett has mentioned, this can be easily rectified.  But, the system is rather crude, with a definite advance step hitting in at 1800-2200rpm, depending on how well the pick-ups are set up.  While not being a problem on long overland hauls, it can be a royal pita cruising in town, with jerking resulting at low throttle openings.  A modern system offering proper advance curves transforms the engine, making it completely vice-free in traffic.  The quite common plug-fouling at starting usually disappears as well.  I'm currently using a development of the DMC II by Moto Witt.  This uses low-resistance coils and delivers sparks more than twice as strong as the previos system.  Instant starting under all conditions, even with stale fuel, is the result.

Aftermarket California mirrors can easily be adapted, quality isn't as good as the originals though.  I've found the internals require a little fettling to provide full adjustability.  Rubber gaiters are no problem...  indicators are!

After a proper re-commission, your Corsa will surely turn out to be a fantastic bike. :D

piet
 
rpo83 said:
Thanks IAG, it amazes me that someone could let a bike like this sit unloved... But she does look incredibly complete and original. The bike is still in Japan, so my customs agent has just collected her and documented her condition. I'm really looking forward to her arriving :)
Somehow it doesn?t surprise me as I bought a RGS back end of ?17 that came from Japan that is in a worse state......
 
rpo83 said:
<snip...> unless Craig has jinxed me with his frame problem :)

Ha!  In my defence, I did say, "No panic" and "when a bike is ridden hard" .... :D

So all may well be good!  :D.  But at least you now know to go have a look.  And you also have a proper low-down from Steve, Cam and Piet - each of whom know a shed-load more about this stuff than I do - about how to react.

Two further thoughts:
1.  You should give thought to changing the engine drive chains - cam and primary.  You'll get advice on here about what to change them with.  Again, if you intend keeping the bike, it's just not worth not doing.  Also, ideally the cush drive rubbers in the clutch (I'm slowly beginning to take on board what Piet means by a "proper re-commission").

2.  Me, I certainly WOULDN'T 'restore' the bike (unless the engine's knackered, that is).  Patina and history is what makes old stuff interesting - and only time can 'back-restore' that.  Much better to do as you intended: clean it up, remove obvious/well-known defects - and ride it!

'Cos, as Piet says, they are wonderful old clunkers  :-*  Don't expect me to argue with those who think it was Laverda's finest creation  ;)
 
Good buy there Steve and welcome.

We bought our CORSA back in 2006 from SA with 48,000kms on it and only two owners.  Then work and life got in the way until 2017 when I bit the bullet and recommissioned it ready for the road.  No sign of cracking around the steering head.
I did the full job and can tell you it was not cheap but well worth the effort.  It has now done 16,000 additional kms in 15 months, including two CLNSW annual rallys.

The major problems I had are the clutch master cylinder seals - my fault in not stripping down properly it appears and now unobtainable as CORSA has a smaller piston, the floating discs needed refurbishment due to excessive play - REDAX did that work and at a very good price, new friction plates in the clutch, once again from REDAX and a Sasche ignition, once again from REDAX.
I replaced the 2 spot gold line brembos with 4 pots on the front as my wife found the braking (lack thereof) rather worrying two up and loaded with panniers.
The ongoing concern I have is the getting the bloody fairing to behave and stay where it is put.  This is ongoing and I've not fixed it yet. 

You will find the steering of the CORSA rather slow after riding a Bimota, but after advice from CLNSW President Chris Pritt, I pulled the forks 16mm up thru the triple clamps which has made a large difference in slow speed corners and has not effected higher speed stability at all.  But ride it first.

I urge you to do a full recommission like several others. Keep the finish as original as possible - they are beautiful dinosaurs, and they are more beautiful in their original coat IMHO. 

Enjoy
 
maurice turner said:
Good stuff Steve another Victorian Laverda owner and rider we have lots of rides and functions with a good sized group with a common interest.
Look forward to meeting you.
Regards
Maurice.

Thanks Maurice,

I probably walked past you at FOIM in November, lots of Laverdas turned up. Well at the moment i can qualify as a Laverda Owner, it will be interesting to see how long it takes me to become a Laverda Rider.. :) But i'm looking forward to the journey..
 
henrywillms said:
Sounds like this Corsa will need a shitload of work....no problem I'LL take it off your hands  if you pay the shipping to Canada. All the suggestions offered are good ones and I have done all to my Corsa over the years. You may find those mufflers, which I think we're ugly anyway, will be rusty...and even if not,  likely no  chromer will put them in their tanks.

If your not into doing all the work suggested at once, do the basic mntce stuff first and the you can to the reinforced steering head....as long as it is not already cracked, new ignition, paint etc over time.  On the black wheeled Corsa you may find the black is flaking off around the outer edges of the rims pretty badly and will require a re do at some point.

Also if it has not been started in years I would remove the sparkplugs and either disconnect the ignition or ground the plugs( with gas  turned off and carbs dry) and turn the engine over via the starter until you see oil coming to the cams ( you need to remove cam covers to check the valve clearances anyway) before trying to start the Bike.

Hi Henry,

Nice try :)

I have found that the seller tried to start it, they couldn't get it running without aerostart being sprayed into the carbies... I wish they would have just left it... Hopefully no damage was inflicted on the engine...
 
sfcpiet said:
G'day Steve,

Great find.  Seems the bike hasn't been butchered at all, unlike many examples.

The frames generally hold up pretty well under "normal" use, it's usually the hard-pushed ones that give up.  The frame can be welded without stripping, I found my RGS to be cracked a week before I was due to leave for a long vacation trip!  I didn't have the time for a total strip-down, so I bared the headstock as well as possible and did it at home in the shed.  12 years on, all is well.

Lots of different opinions regarding frame bracing.  The factory gusset kits were meant for REPAIRING cracked frames, and were therefore a lot stronger/thicker and completely differently shaped than the gussets the factory added to the last few SFC1000 to prevent frame cracking.  If adding gussets as a preventive measure, I'd have a close look at how the factory did it, I have yet to find one of these to be cracked, despite the stonger front brake and forks that induce greater forces into the headstock.  When bracing such a frame, the induced forces don't disappear, they are mostly transferred to a different spot.  Strongly bracing one part might over-stress the adjoining.  Due to its age and the very basic materials used, I'd suspect the designers calculated to include a certain amount of frame flex.  If you do eventually decide to add gussets, I'd suggest you look into lengthening the headstock while you're at it.  This unloads both the headstock and fork legs to a degree, stiffening the forks in the process, simply by reducing the length of the stressed part of the stanchions.  All depends on your budget/ambitions of course.

I've always regarded the RGS, and especially the RGS Corsa, as the ultimate Gentlemans Express, not the sportsbike it was often promoted as (turned out the japs were far better at that!).  It was also built in an era when emissions were beginning to be taken very seriously, especially noise emissions.  Laverda went to great lengths to design an efficient intake and exhaust systems, and the bike works very nicely under all conditions with these systems.  I have a strong aversion to making more noise than necessary, I prefer to fly under the radar, and not give long-term notice of my arrival by fitting those stupid loud Jota cans.  These rarely fit well and throw up a handful of other issues.  The stock silencers tend to rust from the inside during use, good ones are rare these days.  OCT in Germany once commissioned a batch of replicas in stainless, externally and internally identical, but with a larger exit tube to avoid the extra drillings in the end cap that look just like the afterthought that they were.  I'm very happy with mine, they have held up well since fitting them in 2008.  Unfortunately, they have been sold out long ago...

Overall build quality of these bikes is head and shoulders above anything Laverda had built before.  This doesn't mean they're bullet-proof or there isn't scope for further perfecting though.  The silentbloc at the headstock carrying the fairing tends to soften with age, allowing the fairing to flop around excessively, straining the screen, headlamp mounts and the instrument internals.  Replacing the silentbloc with a solid alloy bar and renewing the tank mount rubbers holds everything in place nicely.  The battery doesn't need to be as big as that fitted by the factory, smaller modern gel-type 18 or 20Ah batteries do the job well.  While the red Motoplat coils fitted to some RGSs seem to have a bad reputation, I have found only one failure since I started working on these bikes in 1990.  Alternator wiring needs periodic checking, as does the tank over-flow hose and the balance hose connecting the carbs to one another.  Check engine mount rubbers, deteriorated ones can cause excessive vibration.  The all-rubber intake stubs are usually well past their use-by date, these can be replaced with the stubs used on the prior triple models.  At 17000km, carb wear shouldn't yet be a problem, but the carb linkage will be delighted over a drop of oil or 2.

The original ignition system tends to be quite reliable, for a while at least.  Main problem is ageing and deteriorating wiring to the pick-ups as Brett has mentioned, this can be easily rectified.  But, the system is rather crude, with a definite advance step hitting in at 1800-2200rpm, depending on how well the pick-ups are set up.  While not being a problem on long overland hauls, it can be a royal pita cruising in town, with jerking resulting at low throttle openings.  A modern system offering proper advance curves transforms the engine, making it completely vice-free in traffic.  The quite common plug-fouling at starting usually disappears as well.  I'm currently using a development of the DMC II by Moto Witt.  This uses low-resistance coils and delivers sparks more than twice as strong as the previos system.  Instant starting under all conditions, even with stale fuel, is the result.

Aftermarket California mirrors can easily be adapted, quality isn't as good as the originals though.  I've found the internals require a little fettling to provide full adjustability.  Rubber gaiters are no problem...  indicators are!

After a proper re-commission, your Corsa will surely turn out to be a fantastic bike. :D

piet

Hi Piet,

Thank you for such a comprehensive list... I have a lot to learn about Laverdas, but i think i'm going to have a lot of fun learning.
 
Ventodue said:
Ha!  In my defence, I did say, "No panic" and "when a bike is ridden hard" .... :D

So all may well be good!  :D.  But at least you now know to go have a look.  And you also have a proper low-down from Steve, Cam and Piet - each of whom know a shed-load more about this stuff than I do - about how to react.

Two further thoughts:
1.  You should give thought to changing the engine drive chains - cam and primary.  You'll get advice on here about what to change them with.  Again, if you intend keeping the bike, it's just not worth not doing.  Also, ideally the cush drive rubbers in the clutch (I'm slowly beginning to take on board what Piet means by a "proper re-commission").

2.  Me, I certainly WOULDN'T 'restore' the bike (unless the engine's knackered, that is).  Patina and history is what makes old stuff interesting - and only time can 'back-restore' that.  Much better to do as you intended: clean it up, remove obvious/well-known defects - and ride it!

'Cos, as Piet says, they are wonderful old clunkers  :-*  Don't expect me to argue with those who think it was Laverda's finest creation  ;)

Jeez Craig,

Everytime you offer advice you cost me a fortune.... :)

I have no intention of "restoring" the bike, one of the things i love about my YB5 is looking at it in wonder, how can a 32 year old bike can look so good..

I can just sit and stare at the workmanship, the welds on the frame are a work of art... the frames are a work of art..


Ohlins Rear Damper by Motorbike Owner, on Flickr

I don't think this headstock will ever crack...


20180923_133938s by Motorbike Owner, on Flickr
 
DavidH said:
Good buy there Steve and welcome.

We bought our CORSA back in 2006 from SA with 48,000kms on it and only two owners.  Then work and life got in the way until 2017 when I bit the bullet and recommissioned it ready for the road.  No sign of cracking around the steering head.
I did the full job and can tell you it was not cheap but well worth the effort.  It has now done 16,000 additional kms in 15 months, including two CLNSW annual rallys.

The major problems I had are the clutch master cylinder seals - my fault in not stripping down properly it appears and now unobtainable as CORSA has a smaller piston, the floating discs needed refurbishment due to excessive play - REDAX did that work and at a very good price, new friction plates in the clutch, once again from REDAX and a Sasche ignition, once again from REDAX.
I replaced the 2 spot gold line brembos with 4 pots on the front as my wife found the braking (lack thereof) rather worrying two up and loaded with panniers.
The ongoing concern I have is the getting the bloody fairing to behave and stay where it is put.  This is ongoing and I've not fixed it yet. 

You will find the steering of the CORSA rather slow after riding a Bimota, but after advice from CLNSW President Chris Pritt, I pulled the forks 16mm up thru the triple clamps which has made a large difference in slow speed corners and has not effected higher speed stability at all.  But ride it first.

I urge you to do a full recommission like several others. Keep the finish as original as possible - they are beautiful dinosaurs, and they are more beautiful in their original coat IMHO. 

Enjoy

Hi David,

Thanks for the welcome. The clutch master sounds like it might be a problem! I assume as mine looks like it has sat for a while, the hydraulics will be very questionable.

I look forward to the bike revealing her character... i hope :)
 
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