Riding miles when your old!

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I have been riding for 40 years. Of that 37 years were 90 miles a day to work and back. Most miles on various BMW's but also many miles on Laverda's and other bikes. I have ridden close to one million miles since the 1970's.

After I retired I did not ride as much and a Sunday ride was usually around 100 miles.

Yesterday I had to be 370 miles from home and as the spring weather was so nice I did it on a bike. Temperature was 68 degrees (20 degrees C) and was perfect. Wife was not interested unless we were in a car. I rode the RGS which I consider to be a comfortable bike and I have ridden it everywhere. After 150 miles I stopped for breakfast and then kept going. At my destination after hours on the bike I felt like I had ridden 1000 miles and was ready to drop dead. Massive amounts of beer were required to keep me alive.

I have ridden 600 miles in one day on my Laverda 750GT and have even ridden 450 miles in a day on a Velocette when I was younger and felt like I was ready to ride another 500 miles the next day. Old age is not fun as it takes the joy out of riding a bike and I am only 65 years old. No, I am not going to stop riding, but do the rest of you who are my age or older find going more than a couple hundred miles in a day not fun on an old bike?

I have two modern BMW's which I don't ride.
 
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Bike fit is a thing. Dew to stuff over the last year, I haven't done many ks and when I do I really feel it. My last ride was a pathetic 150ks of some preety crap toads and my thumbs were sore as hell later. I have some big rides coming up, so I am hoping it gets easier. Ivaprofan helps, but it can cause stomach trouble. Some tricks: set your suspension to as soft as possible, use an Air Hawk on the seat, raise or pack your bars up at least 20 or 30mm and lower your pegs the same amount, use a cramp buster on the throttle. Clutch extender kit, all that helps, but definitely don't stop riding. BTW, I am 68, my club are doing a 12-day multi-state huge ride in November, so hopefully I get set up for that.
 
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For me the number of kilometers are not the thing but the type of km. On the Breganze trip we rode consecutive days from after an early breakfast, all day until quite late afternoon without discomfort on our SFs. We chose the route with as little motorway as possible, which meant lots of slowing for towns and lower average speed but fantastic scenery and curving roads most of the way. Any of the unavoidable motorway type of stuff had my 70 year old body letting me know pretty quickly that it didn't like it, getting stiff and sore and needing to be stretched. We do all day multi day rides here in Norway and it is the same, on roads with constant input for corners, even just curves, it is fine, but a 70km highway section has us aching.
 
Motorcycle ergonomics has become more important to me as I get older. I'm now 74, and life doesn't get any easier.

Perhaps one thing that a lot of us could do to improve riding comfort is to lose weight (takes a load off your arse). I've been on a diet lately and have shed 7kg so far. Nothing special diet-wise. Just cut out sugar and desserts and reduce portion sizes to something less piggy than I'm accustomed to. I have plenty more weight to get rid of so I'll keep watching my food intake. I need to think of it as a permanent lifestyle change.

I find that my older bikes are much tougher on my body than newer ones because of the harsher suspension and less comfortable ergonomics. Most of my old classics have clip-ons and rearset pegs - a head down arse up kind of pose that I find more difficult to sustain for long distances than I did 10 years ago. High set footrests that induce a lot of knee bend can also cause pain in my artificial knee (legacy of a bike crash).

A couple of years ago I did a weekend ride around Tasmania on my Jota. Day 1 was about 440km and day 2 approx 300km. I felt pretty uncomfortable on the bike for most of the ride. Mostly a sore arse after only an hour or so, that got worse as the day wore on. I was riding with mates so we did the usual bike swap thing. I had a go on a late model BMW GS 1200 that was a relief from the Jota, but I didn't like it much. I dunno what it is about BMWs, but I've never ridden one that's appealed to me. But then I jumped on a 1200 Multistrada and it was sublime. It felt so much more comfortable and capable than the Jota that I decided then and there to buy one.

I did buy a Multistrada, but I'm less impressed after living with it for a couple of years. It's not as comfortable on a long ride than it felt for that short ride I had on the mate's bike. I find the bum stop on the seat shoves my arse a bit too far forward. Maybe my knuckle-dragging gorilla arms are too long. That doesn't sound like a major issue, but after several hours it gets quite annoying. Your arse is basically locked in one spot, so you can't do minor position changes from time to time to ease aches and pains. The seating position is probably perfectly OK for 90% of people. I'm just getting less flexible as I get older.

I could probably fiddle about with the Multistrada to make it a better fit for my body. But I really can't be bothered because I also have a 2008 Benelli Tre-K which is less sophisticated than the Multistrada, but the ergonomics (at least for me) are better so it's more comfortable on a long ride. Keeping 2 bikes on full (non-historic) registration is pretty expensive, so one of them has to go. I've decided to keep the Benelli.

Is anyone in Australia interested in a 2010 Ducati Multistrada 1200 with all the bells and whistles? It has every optional extra you can think of: hard luggage including top box and tank bag, crash bars, bark busters ... PM me if you know someone who might be interested.

The poor old Laverda Jota, Guzzi LeMans and Ducati MHR that also live in my garage have been pretty much neglected in the last couple of years. They're OK for short jaunts, but I'm probably unlikely to ever ride long distance on any of them again.

I had a ride on a Harley Road King the other day. The owner had got rid of the stupid air-ride shocks and put decent suspension on it, so it actually felt quite comfortable for the short ride (about 20km) I had on it. I dunno if it would still feel OK after riding it all day. But I don't think I'd want to own one anyway. I'm not impressed with Harley engineering. It had heaps of low rev grunt, but it handled like a slug. Quite slow to change direction.
 
My crazy cousin bought one of those Adventure Styled BMW 4-cylinder rocketships. With minimum thought, I couldn't understand why anyone would want a superfast bike would relatively long travel and comfortable suspension. Well, surprisingly, that did sound appealing on our typically rough as guts roads. His latest toy is a full dresser Harley, apparently there 1800cc these days with lots of go faster bits added. I haven't seen it yet, but one funny thing I heard was hearing about the much-improved rear shocks he had fitted. Not Ohlins, ICONS. I laughed my arse off. The latest news is that he is having some issues with the HOG, Harley Owners Group rides. Too slow and too much side-by-side parading. It's good to laugh a bit.
 
Don't think I'd repeat my 3 and a bit days from Cairns to Melbourne (3000km?) on Yamaha RT2 360 2-stroke dirt bike, but I've se the SFQ up to be pretty comfy (for me) over longish (500km) days. The Air Hawk for the seat is great when your arse is gonna be on it for hours on end - might look daggy when you're off the bike, but who gives a toss. Agree that non-highway-freeway riding is far more pleasurable than long-distance grinds. I wouldn't ride Melbourne to Sydney on the freeway - but did do it about 5 or 6 years ago on the ZZR250! Wit the Air Hawk.
 
We try very hard to avoid Freeways, but typically in a very well-eroded and therefore flat, very old country with the best riding areas usually more than 500 km either north or south of Sydney, at some point, it's the expressway or nothing. Grinding out a couple of hundred kilometres on Expressways isn't why I ride bikes. Once you head west and cross the coastal mountain range, you're in a whole other level of long, flat, straight roads. That's where we are heading in November, lots of places where it's 200 km between bends and fuel stops are the only relief from Numb bum. I am going to need way more recorded music than I have now. Years back, you could at least cruise at 140kph, but not now. That's an instant loss of license for 6 months and over $2000 in fines. And they actively hunt speeders. Hard to hide if you can see and Radar to the horizon.
 
I have been riding for 40 years. Of that 37 years were 90 miles a day to work and back. Most miles on various BMW's but also many miles on Laverda's and other bikes. I have ridden close to one million miles since the 1970's.

After I retired I did not ride as much and a Sunday ride was usually around 100 miles.

Yesterday I had to be 370 miles from home and as the spring weather was so nice I did it on a bike. Temperature was 68 degrees (20 degrees C) and was perfect. Wife was not interested unless we were in a car. I rode the RGS which I consider to be a comfortable bike and I have ridden it everywhere. After 150 miles I stopped for breakfast and then kept going. At my destination after hours on the bike I felt like I had ridden 1000 miles and was ready to drop dead. Massive amounts of beer were required to keep me alive.

I have ridden 600 miles in one day on my Laverda 750GT and have even ridden 450 miles in a day on a Velocette when I was younger and felt like I was ready to ride another 500 miles the next day. Old age is not fun as it takes the joy out of riding a bike and I am only 65 years old. No, I am not going to stop riding, but do the rest of you who are my age or older find going more than a couple hundred miles in a day not fun on an old bike?

I have two modern BMW's which I don't ride.
Listen, 370 miles is still a bloody good day- I meet BMW GS riders that stop every hour for tea & cakes and think they’re on it.
I’m off to Barcelona on an old Lambretta, it’ll be slow & uncomfortable- I can’t wait!
 
I'm 70, and ride nearly exclusively old bikes. I have a 750 Aprilia which I use for appointments in town, I feel safer with those brakes.
I ride about 10 000 km a year give or take, mostly take, on 750 Laverdas and maybe 1500 km on my Falcone. Only small roads.
My ideal day is between 300 and 350 km, that's about 7 hours in the saddle.
At the end of the day, my hands are painful, as is my backside. I loose some skin off the back of my right big two after the first couple of days. The back is okay, I've had enough problems there over the years.
The next day, off we go after a good night.
The limiting factor with time may well be the weight of the bike at a standstill or doing a U turn on a small road.
Paul
 
For the Breganze 75th Anniversary trip, last year, I rode 520 miles, on both the first and last days, without ill effects.
Maybe 49 years of regular riding on the same bike have moulded my body to it, but I think that having my hip joints directly above my ankle joints is a major factor.
Rearsets are anathema to long distance riding.
Gel pads in the seat foam prevent numb bum, too.

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I tryed a Gel pad on my Pantah, deadly in a hot Oz summer. They absorb heat if left in direct Sun and its like sitting on a Frying Pan.
 
for long distance riding I have found that underwear is very important, yes seriously, on a day to day basis I usually wear (very old fashioned) "Y" fronts, I do have (and use) shorts, but I dislike the riding up affect, on the bike after an hour or so Y fronts give the feel of sitting on two steel cables of about 15mm diameter, due to the way the folded and stitched edges cross the bum, the same can be said for jeans, which is why bike leather trousers do not have a central seam, for this reason, I usually wear the shorts, but the riding up and creasing can give a similar affect, it just takes a bit longer. The answer? cycling shorts, yes realy, try a pair, the best thing ever, if you remove that steel cable affect the rest falls into place.
CLEM
 
It’s definitely helps if you ride regularly- our recent NZ trip - just under 3000 miles - sort of 200 miles a day two up ( on a Beemer) became pretty easy on the body - only one day of rain - all my bikes are different and vary the toll on the body - I try and rotate so all get ridden and all the relevant muscles get used - in this order for the Laverdas - the Corsa , then the Jota and the hardest ( so the shortest days ) the Formula - incidentally the Formula is the quickest then the Corsa and finally the Jota which is date order . Fun factor is equal for all as all very different in their approach to the road 😁
 
I avoid motorways unless essential - higher speeds means increased turbulence and strain on shoulders, and less need to move around the bike other than to alleviate a sore arse. When I find myself on mways I try ang get it over as quick as I can, which has the side benefit of increasing fuel consumption thereby forcing regular stops. Not so easy these days though with speed traps everywhere.

I’ve just gotten back on Lav 750 recently, SF1. I thought it would be the vibes I would find as the major issue, but it’s the heavy clutch and the hip/knee position. I’ve got a DAM lever to fit, and am going to have to figure a way to raise the seat about an inch, and lower the pegs as much as I can, and I’ll then see about higher bars to take some weight off the arms.
 
for long distance riding I have found that underwear is very important, yes seriously, on a day to day basis I usually wear (very old fashioned) "Y" fronts, I do have (and use) shorts, but I dislike the riding up affect, on the bike after an hour or so Y fronts give the feel of sitting on two steel cables of about 15mm diameter, due to the way the folded and stitched edges cross the bum, the same can be said for jeans, which is why bike leather trousers do not have a central seam, for this reason, I usually wear the shorts, but the riding up and creasing can give a similar affect, it just takes a bit longer. The answer? cycling shorts, yes realy, try a pair, the best thing ever, if you remove that steel cable affect the rest falls into place.
CLEM
Take the Re bar out of you pants Clem and get a Morino wool horsey saddle cover - I rode to Chamonix in a day, 13 hours , not motorways or satnav or hotel. Next day rode to Guzzi factory. 518 miles first day, 439 next - 937miles! Arse felt like I’d spent the night in a Turkish police cell but I couldn’t have done it without my magic seat cover.
 

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Riding long distance now I’m older, a spring chicken compared with some, at a mere 61 years old.
I’ve done my fair share of long distance riding. Crossing Europe mainly. Although some time in Australia taught me a thing or two about long distance riding and in at times difficult conditions.

It's all about reducing the little niggles that accumulatively can really drag you down.

Exmoor Beast makes a good suggestion with the saddle cover. Horse people usually have money sufficient for good kit so it could be a good starting point.
I totally get the Air Hawk suggestion too. I’ve suggested them to friends who don’t like the sheepskin idea. Yes, people take the piss but I don’t care, I’m comfortable and that’s all that counts.

A sheep skin not a lamb skin as that is too soft, is a great help, in both cold and hot climates.

@Vince mentioned sitting on a sun heated saddle, yes I can testify that, that is uncomfortable. I thought I’d cauterised my Chalfonts when first sitting on my CX500 in Oz one summer. Didn’t do that again, not in light weight trousers anyway.

Over the past five years, stationed in Bremerhaven Germany, but home is Spain, I’ve been crossing North to South and vica versa, several times a year. Even during COVID lockdown periods.
What I’ve realised as I’ve got older is that there is a lot you can do to alleviate fatigue. A lot of it focused on rider comfort.

I’ve only done a few long days in the saddle with my 3CL (youngest bike I own and ride) but the same applies as for my BMW, 1977 R100 on which I am now up t 400,000 kilometres, way less than some I know.

Ear plugs, ‘Loud pipes’ may save lives, I think not in general, but they batter the ear drums and cause fatigue along with wind noise.
Find good earplugs and wear them.

Back support. Yes I wear a kidney belt, made for me by a dear old friend, Dougie Baggott, RIP.

Bike kit, I spend a fortune, according to friends on kit but I stay dry or warm or cool as required.

Stadler two piece with heated jacket when required or Knox armoured shirt when the going gets hot. The Knox armours shirt was/is a game changer. Riding in Oz in, I was told fifty Centigrade heat, across the Nullarbor was tough. There was a bird fell from the sky with heat exhaustion. Close to 40 Centigrade last summer in Southern Europe was bearable thanks to the Knox kit.

Daytona boots, cost me a full weeks wage when I bought them but they fit like a glove, as if tailor made for me, and after more than twenty years are still waterproof and comfortable.

Yes, underwear, etc. is important. I prefer merino wool long johns in winter and have used cycle pants in summer.

Gloves, get the ones that DON’T pinch, chaff, restrict circulation etc. Sounds simple but I see enough people fiddling with gloves to know that not everybody has got the right pair for them.

Camel pack. Keep hydrated. Summer or winter. Make a difference. Last summer on my journey from North of Dijon to Carcassonne the bike did five litres to one hundred kilometres whilst I was drinking about a litre for every two hundred.

@Exmoor beast also mentioned those who ride a hundred miles and stop for a coffee.

How is anybody going to cover long distances if they keep stopping? I know what he means, I’ve met them too.
I fitted my BMW with a thirty two litre tank, as I got fed up with having to stop every two hundred miles.

I do try to start my day with a good breakfast inside me and I know realise that stopping for a proper, off the bike and jacket off sit down lunch and break for an hour in the middle of the day, may feel like I’m wasting time but I restart after my meal and break refreshed and ready for another saddle session.

Give yourself time to digest the food you’ve eaten.

Avoid lots of carbohydrates. Makes you sluggish.


Two stories I’ll try to keep short.

Once returning from South of Paris to Calais for the ferry, I was overtaken by three crotch rocket riders, three times at speed between Paris and Calais.
The third time, I could not help but notice that they were signalling to each other their surprise I’d got ahead of them again.
What I had seen was that they had pulled over at least twice for fuel, coffee, cigarettes and stretching, where I had maintained a mile munching steady pace.
Our arrival time at Calais, for coincidently the same ferry, differed by two to three minutes in their favour.

Riding at your own pace is so much easier than either to slow or to fast at the pace set by someone else.

The second story.

Is of my arrival at Dieppe ferry terminal again in France (for those who may not know) after a longish day on my 1953 BSA from Montauban (Southern France)
Sat at the terminal making myself a coffee, I’d got there very early and I was carrying the cooking paraphernalia, a full kitted touring Harley turned up.
The rider got off the bike, groaning and complaining and needing to stretch all sorts of obvious agony out of his limbs, his wife meanwhile stayed say on the bike.
When I asked how far they had come, thinking they had covered HUNDREDS of miles that day.
I was told that they had left a town, some distance closer to the ferry terminal that the town I had left from.

Get the bike sorted for you and bugger the looks or style.

You are a discharging battery when you are riding.
Everything you can do to reduce the rate of discharge is going to help.
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I take army rations in foil pouches and cook them on the rocker covers of the Guzz, like a twin hob Aga.i turned up late at a camp site, pouches on red hot engine, put up tent, Lamb casserole! I have also used the army rehydration powder drinks which are incredible- revolting but full of salt, sugar , takes two minutes to take effect. The race of the ferry as the plastics howl off flat out , then I pass them as they are shagging about with panniers hanging off/ phones/ satnav…
I used to wear leather but my textile jacket has a million pockets, I can open all the vents if it’s tropical or zip em up if it’s freezing/ wet , full armour , no draughts. I do wear an open face lid, which is definitely more tiring but I love the wind in my mush.
A throttle aid thingy is also really worth while.
As much as I prepare for a good nights sleep, last two times I’ve met people on the ferry and ended up in the bar, not big or clever..
Top tip- hide a spare set of keys on bike- imagine having a perfectly functioning bike but losing the key!
My mantra for long distance is “ gotta make it home” I only ride at comfortable safe pace, never fast . Never carry oil, it will leak or fall out of your mates pannier, spinning on tarmac in front of you until it finally wears out spraying fucking oil on the road in front of you…don’t ask!
 
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