SFC Droopy Ear Syndrome

Rob, it comes down to your personal interpretation against my personal interpretation... and that is always the case when it comes down to that discussion.

Fact though is, the RGS1000 SFC left the factory as a Model SFC. Was it a "marketing thing"? Yes, it was. Did it do anything good to the factory or contribute to their success? Well - at least you can say that with that model, the factory survived 2-3 years longer, sponsored by Uwe Witt. If that was good or bad - decide yourself. And btw: Massimo even had his fingers on the design. Not sure he loved it, but money talks...

The base of it was the TT1, which indeed WAS raced. You could claim that the Corsa is closer to the TT1 than the SFC and you would be right on that. However, looking at the fact that the RGS1000SFC came with race equipments (brake disk show "for race use only", lighter alloy swing arm, M1R fork, Brembo F08 Oro front and rear etc. etc. etc.), it is closer to a racer than the Corsa ever was (from my point of view at least). Adding to that, the head basically is the works racing upgrade with larger inlets and higher power-output as it was even used on the works racers in the 70's...

Nevertheless, it is a factory SFC, even if it never was raced successfully and even the base (TT1) did not really have much to compete with the big guys of its time.

Saying the SFC has nothing to do with a SF/1/2/3 is simply wrong, sorry. The base engine is the same. Even the Head of the early SFC's was used for the SF1/2/3. Many things that were used on the SFC's first went into production later on (Front disks, alloy rims later on etc. etc.). This is standard event today where new technologies first are developed for racing and - if they make sense - move into production.

If you refer to the crank, you are right, the SFC crank is different. It is much lighter etc, but I would say the base of it is the same as in the SF/1/2/3, it has simply a lot of material shaved off and is reshaped. Not sure if rods are different, pistons for sure are to achieve higher compression => more power. Nothing you couldn't do on a SF1/2/3 engine... (and nothing that hasn't been done...). CC gearbox is a bit difficult to come by, but with the right kind of money, nothing is to far of to be done...

But that again is the same on the 1000 SFC. The Corsa engine has also different Pistons, different head and valves etc.. Not as many components touched though than on the 750 SFC and not that seriously touched...

To the numbers: let it be 10% that have been seriously raced => 53. The rest were sold as a street version of the race bike, never intended to be raced. Sure they had (mostly) the same main components as the racers, however, that was the same on the TT1 and the 1000 SFC...

Conclusion: for those who own a 750 SFC, it is and will always be the only SFC that was ever produced. Many of those that don't have one, they mostly see it a bit more relaxed and accept the 1000 SFC as a factory model/variation of the TT1 Racer => in some sense also a "real" SFC... And I assume the majority simply shakes their heads about that discussion...  :o

:D

But - whom are we to judge? May everyone have her/his personal point of view.
 
Bad example, Chris, it's a replica...  :D

http://icr.breganzane.com/bikes/replica.php

and so is the other bike of that team...

http://icr.breganzane.com/bikes/917slc.php
 
A disc brake 750 SFC crank Lothar is much more than an SF crank with weight shaved off.
There are about 500 different parts numbers between an Electronica and contemporay SF2. Enough to build a completely different machine which is what an SFC is.
Paul
 
Count together what you have as different Part numbers on a 1000 SFC compared to an RGS and you will see it matches that 500 closely... If that's the differentiator, the 1000 SFC is a REAL SFC...  :D

So - clearly it's not part numbers differing, it is not winning races. It's also not numbers built (there were less 1000 SFC's made than 750 SFC's. And even less Corsas, and those are the cheapest of all 3...). so - what makes it really special and "the REAL and ONLY SFC"? From my point of view - only your personal judging, right?  :D

Honestly folks: I am not disrespecting the 750 SFC and its accomplishments. However, I also don't fancy it enough to make such a fuss out of it... I appreciate that people like Rob and others have their hearts for the 750 SFC. Maybe i am wrong to think others should have the same appreciation for a different Laverda model, loved and appreciated at least as much as the 750 SFC by its owners...  ::) At the end, it has a lot to do with personal taste, preferences and judgement, right?  :-*

All meant in good humor by the way. I love the 750 SFC's. However, I love also the 1000 SFC, the 750 S Formula and my Jota. I love the fact that for the price of a 750 SFC, i can afford the other 3 and have spare cash to ride them or built up another one... And I hope I will love the Motoplast one day, if it ever finishes...  ???

;)
 
Laverdalothar said:
Bad example, Chris, it's a replica...  :D

http://icr.breganzane.com/bikes/replica.php

and so is the other bike of that team...

http://icr.breganzane.com/bikes/917slc.php



Oi!  what about the other ICR bike???? This is the real deal Lothar.
Has race pedigree too..... :P
 

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Laverdalothar said:
Count together what you have as different Part numbers on a 1000 SFC compared to an RGS and you will see it matches that 500 closely... If that's the differentiator, the 1000 SFC is a REAL SFC...  :D

Almost every one of these differences is a downgrade from an RGS too.  :-*
 
rowdypat said:
Oi!  what about the other ICR bike???? This is the real deal Lothar.
Has race pedigree too..... :P

and when did it WIN a race last time? When was it actually RACED last time? See my original post...

Grant said:
Almost every one of these differences is a downgrade from an RGS too.  :-*

Grant, I appreciate you love your Corsa and I agree it is a great bike. Why did you sell your first one btw.?

 
I don't love my Corsa. I have POP for that, a real bike...  8)

The SFC 1000 is a pastiche of the SFC legend, and a cheapened version of the RGS.
 
Fact, dress it up t suit your own ends as you wish.

How many races have SFC 1000s won?
Is fibreglass not cheaper than Bayflex?
 
Grant, Bayflex is just more expensive in small numbers, as the mould is expensive. Fibre-Glas is a hand-laminated thing, not sure the labor costs are less than the production cost of the bayflex...

And - is steel swing arm not cheaper than alloy? Is 38mm Marzocchi not cheaper than M1R? Is a car dashboard not cheaper than Veglia instruments? Are FLAM rims not cheaper than oscam rims? Are standard chrome steel brakes discs not cheaper than race brake discs? etc. etc. etc.... ;)

Oh - and what are you doing if the RGS Fairing or Seat unit is broken? Bayflex is almost unfixable (at least without the appropriate knowledge)... the SFC fairing and seat almost everyone can fix with some parts from your lokal tools-shop

How many races did the RGS Corsa win?  :-*

as I said before, it is your point of view against my point of view, which is absolutely OK with me. I will not convince you and you will not convince me. For me, the RGS is an overweighted, far from sportive, partly miss-shaped and unbalanced bike. The SFC looks (!!) much lighter, more balanced, more valuable and is for me the prettier of the two. That does not mean it has to be for everyone...  ;)
 
Lothar, go forth and multiply.  :D

No one ever said the RGS or Corsa were racers, TTF1 excepted.
Your feeble arguments are invalid on relative costs.
Didn't early SFCs have NOS Smits instruments, that didn't actually work properly?

Exactly how much lighter is the SFC vs a Corsa? Mine weighed 247kg on calibrated scales.
Mis-shaped and unbalanced?  :LOL:
The SFC was a lash up thrown together in a last gasp attempt to cheapen and sell vs the likes of the GPz900R and such, making the SFC look like the bloater it is.  :-*
 
Wow!  You guys get pretty worked up.  Good for you!  Surprisingly, I am with Lothar on the style, weight, panache, sound, pedigree, speed and attracts-a-crowd-wherever-he-goes-ishness.

And....did I say the toothed washer fixed the Droopy Ear Syndrome?  :D

 
Rockitdoc said:
And....did I say the toothed washer fixed the Droopy Ear Syndrome?  :D

Scott, you really did not get the format of this forum, did you? No technical information please, after a thread has been completely corrupted!


:D :D :D

And if you look into how many RGS/Corsas have been sold when the 1000 SFC was introduced, that speaks enough for me about the look and the average ones taste...  :D (not that the overall numbers were very high in both cases compared to what the Japs sold at that time...  :-[ ). But having both models available at that time, the Corsa was sold only about 5 or 10 Units in 3 years where the 1000 SFC was sold in 2 batches with a total of more than 500 units, so between 50 and 100 times more than the Corsa.

It might be my limited english, but in my posts, I try to only talk about what I personally like or dislike and try to stay away from generalizing my personal taste to a common understanding. Hope that comes across, please. Glad if others share my point of view, but honestly: I have always tried to only purchase what I like - not what others like...  ;)

It cost me a lot to decide to sell the 2 1000 SFC's, especially yours, Scott. I am more than glad that both bikes found a home they get the appreciation they deserve, especially yours!  ;)
 
Hey Lothar, they are all good.
Just RGSs are better made and better looking than SFC1000s.  :-* :P :D
I just try to keep to the facts.  8) :D
 
I was just yanking your chain Lothar, didn't mean to open a can of worms!! And I did say I liked the SFC1k :) Just doesn't have the race pedigree of the 750SFC that's all :P :D
 
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