Laverdalothar
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Rob, it comes down to your personal interpretation against my personal interpretation... and that is always the case when it comes down to that discussion.
Fact though is, the RGS1000 SFC left the factory as a Model SFC. Was it a "marketing thing"? Yes, it was. Did it do anything good to the factory or contribute to their success? Well - at least you can say that with that model, the factory survived 2-3 years longer, sponsored by Uwe Witt. If that was good or bad - decide yourself. And btw: Massimo even had his fingers on the design. Not sure he loved it, but money talks...
The base of it was the TT1, which indeed WAS raced. You could claim that the Corsa is closer to the TT1 than the SFC and you would be right on that. However, looking at the fact that the RGS1000SFC came with race equipments (brake disk show "for race use only", lighter alloy swing arm, M1R fork, Brembo F08 Oro front and rear etc. etc. etc.), it is closer to a racer than the Corsa ever was (from my point of view at least). Adding to that, the head basically is the works racing upgrade with larger inlets and higher power-output as it was even used on the works racers in the 70's...
Nevertheless, it is a factory SFC, even if it never was raced successfully and even the base (TT1) did not really have much to compete with the big guys of its time.
Saying the SFC has nothing to do with a SF/1/2/3 is simply wrong, sorry. The base engine is the same. Even the Head of the early SFC's was used for the SF1/2/3. Many things that were used on the SFC's first went into production later on (Front disks, alloy rims later on etc. etc.). This is standard event today where new technologies first are developed for racing and - if they make sense - move into production.
If you refer to the crank, you are right, the SFC crank is different. It is much lighter etc, but I would say the base of it is the same as in the SF/1/2/3, it has simply a lot of material shaved off and is reshaped. Not sure if rods are different, pistons for sure are to achieve higher compression => more power. Nothing you couldn't do on a SF1/2/3 engine... (and nothing that hasn't been done...). CC gearbox is a bit difficult to come by, but with the right kind of money, nothing is to far of to be done...
But that again is the same on the 1000 SFC. The Corsa engine has also different Pistons, different head and valves etc.. Not as many components touched though than on the 750 SFC and not that seriously touched...
To the numbers: let it be 10% that have been seriously raced => 53. The rest were sold as a street version of the race bike, never intended to be raced. Sure they had (mostly) the same main components as the racers, however, that was the same on the TT1 and the 1000 SFC...
Conclusion: for those who own a 750 SFC, it is and will always be the only SFC that was ever produced. Many of those that don't have one, they mostly see it a bit more relaxed and accept the 1000 SFC as a factory model/variation of the TT1 Racer => in some sense also a "real" SFC... And I assume the majority simply shakes their heads about that discussion...
But - whom are we to judge? May everyone have her/his personal point of view.
Fact though is, the RGS1000 SFC left the factory as a Model SFC. Was it a "marketing thing"? Yes, it was. Did it do anything good to the factory or contribute to their success? Well - at least you can say that with that model, the factory survived 2-3 years longer, sponsored by Uwe Witt. If that was good or bad - decide yourself. And btw: Massimo even had his fingers on the design. Not sure he loved it, but money talks...
The base of it was the TT1, which indeed WAS raced. You could claim that the Corsa is closer to the TT1 than the SFC and you would be right on that. However, looking at the fact that the RGS1000SFC came with race equipments (brake disk show "for race use only", lighter alloy swing arm, M1R fork, Brembo F08 Oro front and rear etc. etc. etc.), it is closer to a racer than the Corsa ever was (from my point of view at least). Adding to that, the head basically is the works racing upgrade with larger inlets and higher power-output as it was even used on the works racers in the 70's...
Nevertheless, it is a factory SFC, even if it never was raced successfully and even the base (TT1) did not really have much to compete with the big guys of its time.
Saying the SFC has nothing to do with a SF/1/2/3 is simply wrong, sorry. The base engine is the same. Even the Head of the early SFC's was used for the SF1/2/3. Many things that were used on the SFC's first went into production later on (Front disks, alloy rims later on etc. etc.). This is standard event today where new technologies first are developed for racing and - if they make sense - move into production.
If you refer to the crank, you are right, the SFC crank is different. It is much lighter etc, but I would say the base of it is the same as in the SF/1/2/3, it has simply a lot of material shaved off and is reshaped. Not sure if rods are different, pistons for sure are to achieve higher compression => more power. Nothing you couldn't do on a SF1/2/3 engine... (and nothing that hasn't been done...). CC gearbox is a bit difficult to come by, but with the right kind of money, nothing is to far of to be done...
But that again is the same on the 1000 SFC. The Corsa engine has also different Pistons, different head and valves etc.. Not as many components touched though than on the 750 SFC and not that seriously touched...
To the numbers: let it be 10% that have been seriously raced => 53. The rest were sold as a street version of the race bike, never intended to be raced. Sure they had (mostly) the same main components as the racers, however, that was the same on the TT1 and the 1000 SFC...
Conclusion: for those who own a 750 SFC, it is and will always be the only SFC that was ever produced. Many of those that don't have one, they mostly see it a bit more relaxed and accept the 1000 SFC as a factory model/variation of the TT1 Racer => in some sense also a "real" SFC... And I assume the majority simply shakes their heads about that discussion...
But - whom are we to judge? May everyone have her/his personal point of view.
So close ............ yet so far.
