The future?

Legs said:
Ha ha! Here in Adelaide just about every house has a solar panel array, with a scheme that excess power produced by them is sold back into the grid.
So much power is produced on a hot sunny day that the grid can be overloaded and they have come up with a scheme that YOU have to pay to feed back to the grid.
They say this is to encourage everybody to install battery banks.
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Charge your car up with the excess and feed it back to the electricity grid from your car in the evening when electrical demand may be high and solar struggles for some reason 🌘.
There are schemes ongoing that can do this (vehicle to Grid or V2G) and a nice little earner:
https://www.drivingelectric.com/your-questions-answered/323/selling-electricity-back-grid
 
Electric commuter vehicles are the way of the future, whether some of you like it or not.
Even a Landcruiser 4WD won’t get you more than half way along the Canning Stock Route in Western Australia without having to resort to jerrycans etc. So let’s dispense with the nonsensical negative arguments and examples, and focus on the future, where our recreational riding is likely to be on petrol-powered and our commuting is likely to be electric.
This is not a conservative government publicity campaign, so how about we argue the real pros and cons, rather than the false binary arguments (ie ut’s electric or it’s nothing, like ‘it’s coal or its nothing’).

Brother Marty visited me today on one of his 2 electric bikes (the other is stored in Germany for use when the option of holidays return). He has the Jota, the RGS, the KTM 640 Dakar, the MV, the K100 and the Le Mans to choose from as well, yet chose the e-bike and was at my place in 35 minutes - about the same time as a bike would take.
Like him, most of us will still have choice......
 
Got nothing against electric vehicles, But until I can recharge in five minutes and recharging points are as numerous as petrol bowsers I'll rely on the old internal combustion engine when venturing beyond the city limits.
 
I own a three litre diesel Audi because I CHOOSE to. It doesn't have a tow bar BUT I can get the mother-in-laws wheelchair in the back and she can get in and out of it without lifting devices. We can take holidays with the dog safely in a cage in the back. I can get a fortnights shopping in the back for two households. SUV's have simply replaced estate cars. Oh, it also goes like stink and I thoroughly enjoy driving it. I worked my butt off for fifty years and now I can afford a nice car I will. The technology for electric vehicles will improve beyond imagination in the next few years simply because they HAVE to sell them, happily I'll be sitting in a sunny corner of the care home with fond memories of ridiculous motorcycles and cars I have had the pleasure to own.
 
Fast forward to 2030 when sales of new petrol/diesel/hybrid vehicles are banned.How many people will be driving around in EV`s by then?How many people can afford a new car?Will EV`s still be priced beyond the reach of the majority of people in 2030?Will the necessary infastructure be in place to make EV`s a practical proposition for those who are unable to recharge at home?
There will still be a significant proportion of the driving public using petrol in 2030 because they will not be in a position to make the switch as easily as the more well heeled/financially fortunate seem to think it is.
Will 2030 see the arrival of truly practical affordable EV`s to replace the used petrol vehicle that most people rely on today?
If the answer to that is yes then we really can kiss goodbye to our petrol vehicles as we will be told there really is no excuse to continue driving/riding around on noisy polluting vehicles when a "clean" alternative is available to everyone.
If the answer to that is no then we should have at least a few more years of enjoyment of petrol vehicles left to us beyond 2030.
 

Battery operated 1000 HP EZ bake portable oven. seats four. They do save the high cost of cremation. They burn for days and days.​




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Exmoor beast said:
I was referring to electric motorcycle but thought that was an oxymoron so just put electric bike. The MemSahib rides a Bosch Ebicycle and it is the future of bicycles without a doubt, I have ridden it and it’s superb, cheating, but superb.
I have been reading with great interest about the new Triumph Electric bikes and I am sure they will perform well and on paper be just like a “ motorcycle” - but not for me. Ever since I was a child my Dad would wind down the window on the family car for me to hear a motorcycle overtake, I loved the smell of four star filling up, I can remember the colour and smell of Duckhams Q - even the taste! I first went to the Earls Court show in ‘79 aged 11 and still have the Triumph Bonneville posters that I got from the Meriden stand, sitting on a Bonneville pretending to kick start it,dreaming.
I spent my whole life in the motorcycle industry, Racing , building , Two stroke, four stroke, I have been factory trained by Honda, Kawasaki, BMW And my childhood dream Triumph- I’ve even given factory tours of the Jacknall road factory.
So the thought of riding some clinical ,two wheeled ,plastic thing that smells of static and has all the character of an oversized cordless drill fills me with absolute dread. I am a dinosaur and to be honest I don’t give a flying fuck if my bike is bad for the planet, I’m going to ride until I can’t.
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Lol 😂🤣 what he said ! 👍🏻🍻😎
 
Switching out a battery pack is not exactly cheap or easy, $16-20,000 for a Tesla plus 12 hours of labor.
Another Tesla went up in smoke this weekend in Texas, the batteries burned (a chemical reaction) for over 4 hours the fire department called Tesla to ask how to extinguish the burning batteries, the response was you can't. Toxic fumes too.
After viewing multiple Tesla fires on YouTube I never park my vehicle/bike near a Tesla.
www.thedrive.com

It Costs Nearly $16,000 to Replace a Tesla Model 3 Battery Pack

Protip: Don't drive over any big rocks that can knock out the battery on your Tesla.
www.thedrive.com www.thedrive.com

HTH, Dave
 
A mate after a long time doing it finally got caught using an apparently not justified New Zealand License in Oz, one encounter with a cop pissed the cop off so much he checked Immigration to see how much time he spent between countries. His major crime for the stop, having a bent number plate on his Adventure Bike. And while his suspension of license term passed he bought an Electric Push Bike, Off road style one with huge suspension travel. He was telling me it took some getting used to, it was a missile off the line.
 
It is theoretically possible to extinguish a lithium battery fire if you exclude oxygen, but in most cases it's not practical to do so. It's often easier (and safer in the long run) just to let it burn itself out.

Lithium reacts with water, so drowning it in foam or water is only useful as a heat shield while dragging people out of danger. Dry powder extinguishers would work if you can dump enough powder in the right spot. Gas type agents like CO2 or halon will work initially, but when the fire retardant gas has dispersed and the lithium has access to air again, it'll spontaneously re-ignite.
 
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