To sell as parts or not???

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Hi everyone.

I was a Laverda enthusiast 30 years ago and had an RGS, then an SFC1000 and built the first production Harris Magnum II using a Mirage as the donor bike. I sold the RGS and SFC many years ago, but kept the Harris and the remainder of the Mirage. I'm getting too old now to ride again and could do with the space in my garage. I'm going to sell everything Laverda and wondered how best to sell the Mirage parts. The options I can see are:
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[*]to sell everything as one lot
[*]to sell the Harris on it's own and the Mirage parts in one lot. I have the frame assembly complete with swinging arm, fuel tank, seat, rear light shroud, head light and side panels
[*]to sell the Harris on it's own and sell the Mirage parts individually
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What do you think? Is it likely that someone would prefer to rebuild the Mirage and junk the Harris frame? I'm so out of touch with the Laverda world I can't see where the (not necessarily financial, but historic) value lies. The Harris is a bit special - it was the very first production frame they made (they only made a further 9) and I went to the factory to dry build the bike. A few small tweaks were need to some brackets, then it was stripped down and sent for powder coating. I went back to the factory and assembled most of the bike except for the electrics. The engine was blue printed by Roger Winterburn. Your thoughts will be gratefully received.
 
Welcome :)

Interesting bike history, particularly as you've owned the first Harris Laverda from new.

From the details you've given, I'd be inclined to sell the Harris complete and the Mirage parts separately - so your Option 3. I assume that the Harris needs recommissioning - or is it a runner with current MoT?

Your profile states that you're in Bristol. I'm 30 minutes away in Corsham, so would happily pop round for a look and offer some guidance if that would help?

Alan :)
 
Hi, i would be interested in the Harris, think the value would be to keep the mirage together, presume it's a green one. Sell the Harris as a project PM me if your interested.
Regards Andy
 
GEEZ! I'm too old too but always wanted a Mirage ;o(

Don't have my shop anymore but suppose I could paste her together in a 2nd floor 2 room seniors apartment jail cell ;o)

I would sooner go out working on a Mirage then just fading away.

What are you asking ? PM me.

Up load some PIC's.

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Shit! Just saw you're in Bristol England ? The shipping cost would be more then I could afford to Canada ;o(

If it it was Bristol Ontario Canada, I would drive there and pick her up - WISH you Guy's would designate the country your from !!!
 
Hello from a historic point of view if the mirage engine is in the Harris, reunite the mirage with its engine and sell whatever you have of the mirage as one.
Then sell the Harris as a rolling chassis its still possible to buy a triple engine that may not have a frame.
Regards
Maurice
 
STILL DO NOT KNOW WHAT FUCKING COUNTRY WHERE HE'S LOCATED ?

I can only assume he's in OZ &^$#!

Give other forum members respect.
 
For me the question is: does the Harris have separate registration or is it registered under the same frame number as the Mirage (like: Mirage with an after market frame type Harris). Both was possible in that time. Selling them separately when they share the same papers would not make to much sense I would say (have the same with my Motoplast Project).
 
Laverda SF said:
STILL DO NOT KNOW WHAT FUCKING COUNTRY WHERE HE'S LOCATED ?

I can only assume he's in OZ &^$#!

Give other forum members respect.
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Thanks for all the replies. Just for clarity, I'm in the Chew Valley, just south of Bristol, England.
 
a14rgs said:
Welcome :)

Interesting bike history, particularly as you've owned the first Harris Laverda from new.

From the details you've given, I'd be inclined to sell the Harris complete and the Mirage parts separately - so your Option 3. I assume that the Harris needs recommissioning - or is it a runner with current MoT?

Your profile states that you're in Bristol. I'm 30 minutes away in Corsham, so would happily pop round for a look and offer some guidance if that would help?

Alan :)
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Hi Alan,
You're right - the Harris needs recommissioning. If I were doing it I'd have the frame powder coated again. There is some light corrosion under the paint that I would want to fix. It wasn't sand blasted when originally painted and I think the brazing flux wasn't washed off properly. The engine hasn't done more than 200 miles since it was rebuilt by Roger Winterburn. The front forks have some corrosion at the top of the legs so may need to be re-chromed and ground, although the corrosion is above the full compression seal line. Exhaust and chain guard need re-chroming.

I'll take some more pictures shortly, but here are a couple to give you an idea of what things.

Not sure how to post an inline photo - I guess it needs a URL of a cloud stored photo between the img tags??
 

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Laverdalothar said:
For me the question is: does the Harris have separate registration or is it registered under the same frame number as the Mirage (like: Mirage with an after market frame type Harris). Both was possible in that time. Selling them separately when they share the same papers would not make to much sense I would say (have the same with my Motoplast Project).
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That's a very good point. They do share the same papers. Back then, there was no problem using the donor bike registration for the new frame. This was at a time before the 'Q' registration was started.
 
it was never correct, and this is still so, to "use" the registration and log book for a bike built into another frame.
The frame is the part that is actually registered, the authorities have very little interest in the engine number, but the "identity" remains at all times with the frame (chassis), so when building a Harris or any other special a new registration does have to be applied for.

The exception is if the original frame is damaged, it is acceptable to buy a new one, as a spare part (which in the case of Laverda, comes with a blank space for the identifying digits to be self stamped) but the damaged frame bearing the number must be totally destroyed.

There are plenty of people who have done this in the past but in reality if that number on your log book is not the number on the frame then it isn't registered!

I d like the Swiss system where you can have (something like) ten bikes registered under the same number plate and you just clip the plate to whichever bike you are using that day and the others cannot be used, makes sense to me, the link is to the owner, more than to the bike

CLEM
 
if you decide to part the Mirage, and would be willing to ship to Canada, I would like to buy the tank/tail piece, and hopefully side covers, if all in original paint and in decent shape.

I have a 79 Mirage, would love to have original paint bodywork on it.

I would pay packing and shipping, and whatever a fair price would be for the bodywork. I am sure other forum members will have an opinion on a fair price.

Paul LeClair
Calgary, Alberta, Canada

ps I would suggest you take Alan up on his offer to drop by and offer advice/guidance, great guy.
 
CLEMTOG said:
I d like the Swiss system where you can have (something like) ten bikes registered under the same number plate and you just clip the plate to whichever bike you are using that day and the others cannot be used, makes sense to me, the link is to the owner, more than to the bike

CLEM
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That?s a bloody good system, IMHO.
Here (Australia, not Bristol UK  :D ) if you have multiple bikes you have to pay for the third-party insurance component for each bike even though you can only physically operate one at a time, which means any one-person household with more than one vehicle registered is subsidising the risk of others and from an actuarial perspective distorting the actual monetary value of that risk.

Here, though, the robbing motherfuckers would see the loss of revenue as something that was unacceptable.
 
pretty much the same in UK, Dave, anything you use has to be individually insured, bikes or cars over 40 years old are free from annual tax and annual roadworthiness test though, so its not that bad.
CLEM
 
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