helicopterjim
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To sell or not to sell?
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Russia needed time to recover from the fall of the iron curtain and the USSR.
They've been back at their old imperialist game quite a few years now, surrounding themselves with puppet states and trying to get back into the world power game.
Love all but does one want to keep scores?
Paul
My wife and kids were tortured, raped and then killed, but I kept my Laverda. That would be nice on a T shirt
Or
I lost my loved ones in the bombing of my house but the bikes are safe.
Paul
Legs
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Spent a few years in the seventies at Faslane on pig boats, I guess it has changed a bit since then. The biggest threat then was due to the 'troubles'.
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I went to Primary School, in the '60s, looking at the Nato Naval OFD on the other side of Loch Striven, and we used to feel the same way, until we, wrongly, thought those days were over.
If you think its a coincidence that Putin waited for the end of the Beijing olympics before invading then your mistaken.
They are both in this together with Taiwan as the next goal.
and theres pretty much nothing anyone can do to stop them.
Evil fuckers both of them.
They are both in this together with Taiwan as the next goal.
and theres pretty much nothing anyone can do to stop them.
Evil fuckers both of them.
rocketonarail
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You could always sell your Laverdas and get hold of one of those Russian Ural BMW copy outfits with machine gun mounting and reverse gear...they were quite neat.
Putin seems to becoming increasingly irrational and has now put his nuclear tactical weaponary on special alert.
His concern seems to be that the removal of the buffer states which used to exist between Russia and the West (Baltic States , Ukraine , Poland , Hungary etc) , his front garden so to speak has been removed and he now fears having the West right outside his front door.
Whether or not this fear is justified is another matter , but anything that he thinks threatens his and the Russian State authority and stability is going to cause him concern , to put it mildly.
The Russian fear of invasion can probably be traced back ,in relatively recent times , to Operation Barbarossa , when Nazi Germany invaded without warning for a push towards Moscow despite a previous non aggression pact between the two countries.
That this failed was due to the fact that the Germans had to advance through the Baltic States , Belorussia and the Ukraine and then got bogged down in a freezing winter which starved them of supplies , although at one point they were within 15 miles of Moscow.
Thousands of Russians were starved to death and murdered during this operation , which may explain why Russia , or Putin , is so twitchy now those buffer states are now longer part of a Greater Russia , leaving Moscow much more exposed.
Of course the world has moved on since then , and the West , or NATO , are hardly a threat to Russia in the way Nazi Germany was , except maybe in a cultural or ideological sense , but the distrust , at least in Putins mind , remains , although none of this is an excuse for invading an independent country.
Gorbachev felt the break up of the USSR instigated at the time by Russia , Belorussia and the Ukraine was treachery , but at least he accepted it and knew how to get on with the rest of the world.
Lets hope the effect is that with his actions Putin has put a rope around his own neck , with Ukrainian resistance , world reaction , and Zelensky being elevated to the role of global hero.
Putin seems to becoming increasingly irrational and has now put his nuclear tactical weaponary on special alert.
His concern seems to be that the removal of the buffer states which used to exist between Russia and the West (Baltic States , Ukraine , Poland , Hungary etc) , his front garden so to speak has been removed and he now fears having the West right outside his front door.
Whether or not this fear is justified is another matter , but anything that he thinks threatens his and the Russian State authority and stability is going to cause him concern , to put it mildly.
The Russian fear of invasion can probably be traced back ,in relatively recent times , to Operation Barbarossa , when Nazi Germany invaded without warning for a push towards Moscow despite a previous non aggression pact between the two countries.
That this failed was due to the fact that the Germans had to advance through the Baltic States , Belorussia and the Ukraine and then got bogged down in a freezing winter which starved them of supplies , although at one point they were within 15 miles of Moscow.
Thousands of Russians were starved to death and murdered during this operation , which may explain why Russia , or Putin , is so twitchy now those buffer states are now longer part of a Greater Russia , leaving Moscow much more exposed.
Of course the world has moved on since then , and the West , or NATO , are hardly a threat to Russia in the way Nazi Germany was , except maybe in a cultural or ideological sense , but the distrust , at least in Putins mind , remains , although none of this is an excuse for invading an independent country.
Gorbachev felt the break up of the USSR instigated at the time by Russia , Belorussia and the Ukraine was treachery , but at least he accepted it and knew how to get on with the rest of the world.
Lets hope the effect is that with his actions Putin has put a rope around his own neck , with Ukrainian resistance , world reaction , and Zelensky being elevated to the role of global hero.
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piranha-bro2
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You can't view this current episode without considering how it would have transpired had Donny won the 'stolen election'. There is simply no denying the ties between those two men.
As for the enemy on the doorstep, why would Putin consider the west (NATO) a threat? Is there a maniacal leader in Europe who has plans to invade Russia and enforce democratic rule on an unwilling population??!! Putin's fears are that western ideals of democracy will infect his populace like a trojan horse (which hopefully will eventually transpire anyway). What could be worse than having a majority of one's citizenry deciding how they want their country to be run? Navalny? Get rid of him - like god knows how many thousands of others. A bit like the poor old leaders of the pro-democracy movement in Hong Kong - wonder where they are now. Putin's thinking is so dated it's almost laughable.
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Legs
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Saw a good banner being waved by a woman in Adelaide yesterday 'Puck Futin'. 
rocketonarail
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Reminds me of "Buck Flair" signs you used to see in the fields...Something to do with Tony Blair versus the Countryside Alliance...Saw a good banner being waved by a woman in Adelaide yesterday 'Puck Futin'.
Interesting to think about Donald Trump and the possible reasons for his popularity with American voters...
I have this theory (!)...Americans have become much more familiar with D Trump over the years than we have , through his appearances on TV chat shows since the `seventies and eighties , hosting the USA version of The Apprentice and so on.If you watch clips of him on talk shows from the ``eighties , Phil Donahue`s Show for instance , you begin to get a idea of why he was/is so popular .People in the audience ask him why doesn`t he stand for office (Mayor of New York) and his reply would be "no I`m not standing for office , so I can say what I think , I don`t have to lie or tell fibs"...
I have this feeling that when Americans vote for him now they are actually voting for the Trump they remember from thirty or so years ago , not the old man in his late `seventies that exists now...A little bit like when someone mentions Elvis Presley to you , do you think of the rock and roll star , or do you think of the fat old greaseball sat on a toilet ? ...it`s the rock and roll star obviously , and I think the same sort of thing applies to how the voters view Trump ....as I said , just a theory...
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helicopterjim
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One of the problems with living on the other side of the world is that when something like this happens we are not up to speed with what's going on.
Yesterday I was flicking through the TV and watched some Turkish News feeds. Had no idea what the fuck they were saying, but the pictures on the screen were far better than the repeat shit we get here. I've seen the same apartment window blown in so many times on our local news.
Yesterday I was flicking through the TV and watched some Turkish News feeds. Had no idea what the fuck they were saying, but the pictures on the screen were far better than the repeat shit we get here. I've seen the same apartment window blown in so many times on our local news.
Legs
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That's why I watch the French news on SBS every morning.
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In the ´60s some kids imported blue jeans into USSR and were executed, death penalty, for trying to corrupt the morals of the populace. The inspiration of a free, prosperous democratic independent neighbour Ukraine is a far greater threat. Same same in China.
Remember Maccarthy?
A large part of humanity dreams that a saviour will bring an end to all it's difficulties. The saviour is embodied by various messiahs or political icons using religion, nationalism or football to stir up the juices. And the people want more.
Paul
chrisk
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But you know French, I’m still learning Turkish. And, as a example: Mother Fucker … that’s Turk for Putin.
chrisk
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I was FaceTiming a factory in Taiwan today. Last time I was there they were wearing shorts, singlets and thongs.
Now jeans, shirts and hi vis vests.
Fucken Taiwanese hipsters!