What?s the best and easiest to install aftermarket ignition for mk2 jota 180

Would you like advice? Or opinions  ;)
This could be another ?oil thread?  :LOL:

Some swear by Moto Witt, others would never go past Ignitech. I chose Sachse. There are others too, which can be adapted.
My ?advice? is to choose any system that specifies your exact bike. For what it?s worth, I found the Sachse reasonably easy to install and set up, works well, and I haven?t had to revisit it.
 
Just do it..... money well spent ;)

Like Andy, sachse/Dmc, easy peasy and plenty of curves to satisfy your road bike and state of tune!
Adjustable on the side of the rd with fine blade screwdriver  8)

If going to race your bike, Ignitec the go for more precise tuning! Need laptop for adjustments!

 
Can second that: DMC is easy to "install-and-forget". No service anymore if set right for as long as it lasts (and my DMC1 lasts almost 30 years now faultlessly, the DMC II in the 1000 SFC roughly 20 years, both covering roughly 30 - 50.000km during that time).

Have no experience with Sachse, but they seem to do the job well, too. Both require some experience in bike electrics (but really minor ones; basically crimping the connectors correctly and hooking up the cables to the right connection - well documented in the manual though) and in mechanics (no rocket sience, just unbolting the old system, installing the new and setting it up mechanically right by making sure you follow the instructions.

I did the DMC1 installation 1992 when I was really not experienced with Laverdas (had mine just roughly one year) or electrics/mechanics at all. it was really easy and the bike fired up right away.
 
When I wanted a new ignition system I specified reliable over radical, and went with the sachse.
Easy set up, motor doesn't hunt when riding through towns.
Very happy with it and would do it again.
 
The best and easiest to fit is the IIS ignition system which I have on all my triples. Someone needs to find John Wilson and put him back to work making more of them! Where did he go, have not spoken to him in over 10 years?

Bruce
 
John pops up here every now and then, he is in Batmans Bay playing base gitar last I heard. The pic I saw was bloody funny with him in a band, looks like he loves it. One of the NSW club blokes sees him a fair bit. He was struggling to sort quality componants, and eye sight for tiny work isnt so easy these days.
 
From my internet searches, the DMC is the most expensive, followed by the Sachse and, if I am correct, the Ignitech the cheapest. If the Ignitech TCIP4 uses the original pickups on a Mk2 1200 and it just plugs in without mucking about with the wiring, then that sounds good to me, but where in the UK can you buy one? everything I can find on the web is based in Aus or CZ and postal costs are ridiculous. Or am I missing a trick here? :(
 
Running Red sachse on my series 1. Why would you want to keep original pick ups..they were the problem on mine.  Presume the system is available for series 2..speak to Keith at Laverdascozia?

 
I was initially looking at it from a cost point of view to be honest, (pensions in the UK are shit  :( ) I haven't had a problem apart from those awful Bosch boxes making the thing a pig to ride at low speeds, so, as far as the pickups are concerned, if it ain't broke, don't fix it comes to mind. As the original post asks, what's the general consensus on what is readily available and affordable in the UK.
 
Dave "SPIDER" Holder said:
I was initially looking at it from a cost point of view to be honest, (pensions in the UK are shit  :( ) I haven't had a problem apart from those awful Bosch boxes making the thing a pig to ride at low speeds, so, as far as the pickups are concerned, if it ain't broke, don't fix it comes to mind. As the original post asks, what's the general consensus on what is readily available and affordable in the UK.
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Ask Keith at Laverda Scozia.

Paul
 
When the pickup wiring failed on my Jota  the resulting new barrels and pistons were not very affordable..
 
Thanks for all the detail guys on my last jota I had a witt installed by Slater?s and it did make a lot of difference but this time I will be installing myself
I would be more than happy to go with the Witt  if it?s easy to install

Battery and leads on the agenda too me thinks!

Stuart
 
Dave "SPIDER" Holder said:
From my internet searches, the DMC is the most expensive, followed by the Sachse and, if I am correct, the Ignitech the cheapest. If the Ignitech TCIP4 uses the original pickups on a Mk2 1200 and it just plugs in without mucking about with the wiring, then that sounds good to me, but where in the UK can you buy one? everything I can find on the web is based in Aus or CZ and postal costs are ridiculous. Or am I missing a trick here? :(
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Both DMC and Sachse replace the original pick-ups.  These can be re-used, but can be troublesome in regard to wiring, so using a system that utilises them can be more expensive/hassle in the long run.

DMC units offer more scope for adjustment than the Sachse, you gets wot you pays for... :D

DMC has a good track record imho, most issues can be traced to faulty/incorrect installment, ie, dodgy wiring connectors.  I've been using them since their introduction, fitted to 4 of my bikes.  Suffered 2 failures in a total of approx. 300000km, both times the optical sensor.  I now carry a spare, not expecting a failure any more.

I've come across several Sachse units that failed due to the flimsy wiring used.  Hardware supplied with early units was quite dodgy, everything looked like it was manufactured with a hacksaw and hand drill.  Seems to be a lot better these days, still using flimsy wires though.

Ignitech is far from plug'n'play, programming requires experience in regard to advance curves, etc.

piet
 
Cheers Piet, good info to know. :)
Question; would you be aware, if the curve profiles are sorted on the Saches/Witt/DMC, then is it possible to copy those profiles to the Ignitech? (A reasonable grasp of Computer savvy being taken for granted here) or is that sort of information, "classified" in respect of Saches/Witt/DMC, I have seen the differing curves graph on the Saches instruction leaflet, but not from the others. This is an A11 cammed 1200 we are talking here,,, road use in the UK only. ;) 
 
DMC curves are no secret, they're included with every installation/user manual.  Should find one somewhere in the web.

Curves are grouped in regard to full advance, different ways of getting to the same destination.  Not opening a can of worms with a curve recommendation, in the end, it comes down to personal preferences.  Wouldn't deviate far from stock full advance though.  Rest is up to you and your feel for your engine.

piet
 
The thing I like about the DMC set-up with the optical sensor is that the electronics are mounted on the frame in a benign environment, not enclosed within the engine where they are susceptible to vibration and heat.
 
Dave "SPIDER" Holder said:
Cheers Piet, good info to know. :)
Question; would you be aware, if the curve profiles are sorted on the Saches/Witt/DMC, then is it possible to copy those profiles to the Ignitech? (A reasonable grasp of Computer savvy being taken for granted here) or is that sort of information, "classified" in respect of Saches/Witt/DMC, I have seen the differing curves graph on the Saches instruction leaflet, but not from the others. This is an A11 cammed 1200 we are talking here,,, road use in the UK only. ;)
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Of course you can but it aint as simple as that also the beauty of the ignitech is that you can dial in your own to suit.
Seen quite a few ownerised and bugger up the map completely ( Use the search function for the Witt curves they have bee posted before )... They make a Hall Effect version and do have harness adaptors to suit your bike if you want to continue with your standard pick ups ( assuming that the insulation on the wires is still OK as it would be over 40 years old now ) ... so that would be the second easiest to fit :-)  The easiest of course being the original factory set up but well its certainly aint the best.

Or you can get a complete set up with new pickup board and rotor and box to suit already mapped

The Sasche units are very good if you are running a stock engine as some of the curves dont work too good with 4C's and hi comp engines it seems.. ( yep the wires thin for their pickups but as long as they aint cable tied too tightly they normally are OK. ) The support from Sasche is very good too I find.

I used to be a Witt guy but have had a few go down and the support down here in Aus is next to none. Last time one of the drivers failed they wanted more than a complete  Ignitech set up just to fix it oh and that didn't include the postage. Guess if you are in Europe there would be way better support. Oh and of course Piet is very handy also for you I would suggest.
That's my two bobs worth.
Stay safe and I'm out of here
 
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