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Thomas aus LAU said:
Paul: That would be easy, but my experience is, that most Laverdas (> 90%) no longer have 100% original parts, frame,.....
Either other parts were added after an accident/defect or they wanted to make the Laverda optically or technically more modern.
Brakes, forks, carburetors, cylinder heads, fittings or lighting are typical parts that have been changed over the course of the owners.

For this purpose, an earlier year of construction was often entered in the registration in Germany because the requirements were not so strict.

First I get a general overview of all installed parts including the screws used!
Special questions such as "Is there non, one or two reinforcing ribs on the cylinder base on the left rear side?"

With the attached table originally by "hammer and Willi W." has been created, you can then very quickly narrow down and define the original year of construction and model.

Thomas aus LAU

http://www.laverdaforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10086/270/Laverda_750_A.pdf

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Yes Thomas, of course, a lot of these half century old machines have been modified.
Matching frame and engine numbers will give you a general idea of what the machine is/was but of course it won't tell you that somebody put a Honda engine with restamped numbers in or transformed the machine into a rigid chopper.

As for the Willy W. docs, it is like all the others approximate as were the Laverda twin specs in the early days particularly only the document seems to purport to be precise. A very quick glance reveals errors.

Anybody writing a spec sheet like that for the 750 SFC is putting his head on a chopping block risking finding himself in court with somebody who forked out a fortune for a replica citing the document as leading to his mistake.

Paul
 
Paul Marx said:
As for the Willy W. docs, it is like all the others approximate as were the Laverda twin specs in the early days particularly only the document seems to purport to be precise. A very quick glance reveals errors.
Paul
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Of course Paul, this document also contains some errors, as this is the case, for example, with the legendary "SFC Registro".
But it's one of the tools in detective work.

SFC:
I fear neither death nor the devil - from time to time I am asked for advice on 750 SFC?s. There have also been cases, where sales of fake SFCs were legally reversed or part of the purchase price had to be reduced.

Thomas aus LAU.
 
Thomas aus LAU said:
Of course Paul, this document also contains some errors, as this is the case, for example, with the legendary "SFC Registro".
But it's one of the tools in detective work.

SFC:
I fear neither death nor the devil - from time to time I am asked for advice on 750 SFC?s. There have also been cases, where sales of fake SFCs were legally reversed or part of the purchase price had to be reduced.

Thomas aus LAU.
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Come on Thomas, the Registro SFC isn't legendary and all it has is nice photos, some of them of very modified, to say the least,  SFCs.
As for German courts, I know, I was cited as a witness in a rather elaborate and complicated swindle involving several machines, across several countries, the initiator of which is still at large.

Paul
 
The creation of such an overview, the register book or a calendar takes a lot of time and nerves.
Even if these things are not without errors, one should appreciate the commitment - and it is at least a start.

As we say: "The sparrow in hand is better than the pigeon on the roof."

I do not forbid you to create an error-free list of the three-cylinder models.  :D :D :D

Thomas aus LAU
 
errors occur all the time period.
Witness the article on 750's (a general buying guide) in the Classic Motorcycle (Jan 21) with which I assisted and was at great pains to attempt a correct text. There are errors which I know I had not sanctioned, one of them is purely a typo. "Moto Laverda bought into the FLAM foundry" the printed text omits the "into" and dramatically changes the statement, a few others, but if I can  recognise them, then they didn't come from me, probably there are others that did come from me and are my mis-knowledge, but I wouldn't know what they are, would I?
CLEM
 
Thomas aus LAU said:
The creation of such an overview, the register book or a calendar takes a lot of time and nerves.
Even if these things are not without errors, one should appreciate the commitment - and it is at least a start.

As we say: "The sparrow in hand is better than the pigeon on the roof."

I do not forbid you to create an error-free list of the three-cylinder models.  :D :D :D

Thomas aus LAU
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If you know how academic or scientific works are produced, you'll be aware that there's no relationship between the time and energy spent to produce the work, and it's validity.

There is a French expression Thomas which goes "c'est pourtant simple". And yet, it's simple.

Any book, register or document about Laverda 650/750 twins must start by " there is absolutely no precise relation between engine/frame number, date of production and specification of the motorcycle".

Any other statement is total bullshit.

Anybody who writes that from such a date and such a number, this specification appeared is totally wrong and doesn't know what he's talking about. He's just repeating the errors of others before him.

Concerning the Registro SFC, compiling a few photos of friends SFCs  and ones own, which are very far from being conform to type, reproducing data coming from elsewhere, putting the lot on glossy paper with an orange cover, announcing a limited numbered edition, apart from all the books with no numbers, makes a pretty book but in no way a register and even less a technical or historical document.

The problem is that old metal is fashionable and often changes hands for a lot of money. It attracts people who for some weren't even born when some of the bikes were current and all this imprecise literature creates myths and sometimes promotes dishonesty.

I'm almost certain that were I to advertise for sale some of my bikes, a certain number of well informed people would say that they weren't original.

Error is human. To be conscious of it will stop anybody with a bit of humility from writing Gods law. That's already been done.

Paul
 
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