Paul LeClair newest project July 2023

some of the nastier neighbours are quite literally "little old ladies" who have lived in their houses since they were built in the early 1960's. I have tried everything to build bridges and mend fences, including running my big motorized snow blower the full length of my streets sidewalk, both sides, after heavy snowfall in the winter, doing the sidewalks for about 20 houses. Rather than a thank you, one of the old biddies cornered me at a neighbourhood event earlier in the summer to complain to me that I didn't get out with the snowblower quickly enough after a snowfall.......

we do have some really decent nice neighbours as well, but as I now know a couple of the city bylaw officers by sight and name after being repeatedly complained about to the city, I am getting a bit grumpy about a couple of the little old ladies.
Strategic button pressing Karen (and Darrin) trigger points I find is extremely entertaining. Like, next snowfall, do the entire stretch of sidewalk, ‘except’ the section in front of their place. We technicians at the shop have all manner of subtle actions we quietly undertake after Karen outbursts, which ultimately forces then to attend a dentist after they’ve ground their teeth in a fit of self rage. Quite good stuff.
 
some of the nastier neighbours are quite literally "little old ladies" who have lived in their houses since they were built in the early 1960's. I have tried everything to build bridges and mend fences, including running my big motorized snow blower the full length of my streets sidewalk, both sides, after heavy snowfall in the winter, doing the sidewalks for about 20 houses. Rather than a thank you, one of the old biddies cornered me at a neighbourhood event earlier in the summer to complain to me that I didn't get out with the snowblower quickly enough after a snowfall.......

we do have some really decent nice neighbours as well, but as I now know a couple of the city bylaw officers by sight and name after being repeatedly complained about to the city, I am getting a bit grumpy about a couple of the little old ladies.
My grumpy lady neighbour did me a huge favour…. died in her sleep.

She’s probably giving St Peter an earful, trying to get in.
 
Hi Cam

back from holidays, now 20 or so so hours into Range Rover engine removal process without removing body, liberal use of oxy acetylene torch to clear bent frame members and other impediments. Bloody hell, this vehicel is assembled like a complicated puzzle. Little working room or clearance, my hat is off to those who service these things profesionally.

I should have the motor out on Saturday. While it is outI will replace spark plugs, belts, hoses, etc, al the stuff that is really tough to access otherwise, then load the engine into my trailer and deliver it to the shop I have found to install the engine into my 2012.

I am satisfied that I am still capable of doing the engine swap myself. Twenty years ago, maybe ten years ago, maybe even a couple of years ago before my pancreatic cancer surgery, I would still have charged ahead even without a proper lift. Now, having taken out the engine myself from the damaged parts donor I bought, I will hand over the next steps to a properly equipped shop and go for a motorycle ride or three while the shop completes the swap......,
Paul-
Be sure to update all the plastic coolant pipes & use factory parts only! This includes the rear distribution pipe between cylinder heads and thermostat assembly. Also consider updating the supercharger coupling to a one piece composite design-much quieter when idling. Did you have the donor engine running before disassembly?
 
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Be sure to update all the plastic coolant pipes & use factory parts only! This includes the rear distribution pipe between cylinder heads and thermostat assembly. Also consider updating the supercharger coupling to a one piece composite design-much quieter when idling. Did you have the donor engine running before disassembly?
nope, have not had donor engine running, too much physical accident damage, I had to do a lot of cutting with plasma arc and oxy acetylene to get it out from the twisted frame member and the wadded up sheet metal. I have my fingers firmly crossed that hte donor motor will be good. It still had all its coolant and oil and was obviously running at time of accident that wrote the 2013 off. This is a huge gamble for me.

on the donor engine I already arranged replacing all coolant pipes, distribution pipe, etc, the two belts, all spark plugs, etc.. No better time than with the engine out. I got the authentic belts from the Land Rover dealer, as well as Land Rover hoses etc Not cheap. While I was there I asked for price on the OEM NGK laser iridium spark plugs. Dealer price is $48 per plug. I got the plugs from an auto parts place across the street from the Land Rover dealership, same NGK laser iridium plug, same part number, for $21 each which still felt pricey for 8.

I will check into the supercharger coupling, sounds like a great update, did not know about that. thanks for the information.

I now know why and how the 2012 engine lost all its coolant and did not alert to high temps or low coolant until it was way too late. It was the single bolt that holds the temperature sensor in place. The bolt had fallen out, the temp sensor fell out and got chewed up by the air conditioning compressor, and all the coolant escaped from the temp sensor hole. The temp sensor is a $30 part and held in place by a single bolt.

I checked the donor 2013 engine today and the temp sensor bolt on it was loose and well on its way to a similar failure, bloody hell. Bought a brand new temp sensor and using lots of LocTite on its new fastening bolt.

The shop now doing the swap for me started this morning removing the cooked 2012 motor, they had it out start to finish in less than a day, today.

One of the other things that came to light from the 2012 cooked motor once it was out, in addition to the temp sensor that had fallen out, the cooked motor got so hot it destroyed the aluminum/pot metal housing that mounts the starter motor. I had to deliver to the shop this afternoon the starter motor from the 2013 I had removed when i pulled the 2013 donor motor. The shop is starting the 2013 donor engine install tomorrow, I really hope this works out, fingers crossed.
 
nope, have not had donor engine running, too much physical accident damage, I had to do a lot of cutting with plasma arc and oxy acetylene to get it out from the twisted frame member and the wadded up sheet metal. I have my fingers firmly crossed that hte donor motor will be good. It still had all its coolant and oil and was obviously running at time of accident that wrote the 2013 off. This is a huge gamble for me.

on the donor engine I already arranged replacing all coolant pipes, distribution pipe, etc, the two belts, all spark plugs, etc.. No better time than with the engine out. I got the authentic belts from the Land Rover dealer, as well as Land Rover hoses etc Not cheap. While I was there I asked for price on the OEM NGK laser iridium spark plugs. Dealer price is $48 per plug. I got the plugs from an auto parts place across the street from the Land Rover dealership, same NGK laser iridium plug, same part number, for $21 each which still felt pricey for 8.

I will check into the supercharger coupling, sounds like a great update, did not know about that. thanks for the information.

I now know why and how the 2012 engine lost all its coolant and did not alert to high temps or low coolant until it was way too late. It was the single bolt that holds the temperature sensor in place. The bolt had fallen out, the temp sensor fell out and got chewed up by the air conditioning compressor, and all the coolant escaped from the temp sensor hole. The temp sensor is a $30 part and held in place by a single bolt.

I checked the donor 2013 engine today and the temp sensor bolt on it was loose and well on its way to a similar failure, bloody hell. Bought a brand new temp sensor and using lots of LocTite on its new fastening bolt.

The shop now doing the swap for me started this morning removing the cooked 2012 motor, they had it out start to finish in less than a day, today.

One of the other things that came to light from the 2012 cooked motor once it was out, in addition to the temp sensor that had fallen out, the cooked motor got so hot it destroyed the aluminum/pot metal housing that mounts the starter motor. I had to deliver to the shop this afternoon the starter motor from the 2013 I had removed when i pulled the 2013 donor motor. The shop is starting the 2013 donor engine install tomorrow, I really hope this works out, fingers crossed.
Since the motor is an unknown consider checking the timing chain tensioners & tensioner blades- JLR had a big issue (class action lawsuit) w/ chain rattle and engine failures due to poor engineering. A quick web search for 'Land Rover timing chain problems' will suffice. You may be opening the proverbial can & would need an experienced shop with proper tooling for correct chain installation. Pull a Carfax report & check oil service intervals- the factory recommended 12k oil service contributes to premature chain wear as well so if the PO were lax w/ maintenance that's another reason to consider checking chains if you plan on keeping truck.
 
Since the motor is an unknown consider checking the timing chain tensioners & tensioner blades- JLR had a big issue (class action lawsuit) w/ chain rattle and engine failures due to poor engineering. A quick web search for 'Land Rover timing chain problems' will suffice. You may be opening the proverbial can & would need an experienced shop with proper tooling for correct chain installation. Pull a Carfax report & check oil service intervals- the factory recommended 12k oil service contributes to premature chain wear as well so if the PO were lax w/ maintenance that's another reason to consider checking chains if you plan on keeping truck.


Oil changes. Or lack there of, the biggest contributor to premature, or vastly extended engine life. There is a guy on YouTube, every Sunday he shows an engine disassembly from his shop or sources, he runs a vehicle used parts business I think around Ohio or Illinois. His disassembly of donor damaged engines almost always shows lack of proper oil changes.
 
Did I tell you about my friend who had a front suspension arm break on a recent Range Rover, only to discover that the one on the other side was about to do the same?
The company chose to turn a blind eye.
Paul
 
I now know why and how the 2012 engine lost all its coolant and did not alert to high temps or low coolant until it was way too late. It was the single bolt that holds the temperature sensor in place. The bolt had fallen out, the temp sensor fell out and got chewed up by the air conditioning compressor, and all the coolant escaped from the temp sensor hole. The temp sensor is a $30 part and held in place by a single bolt.

I checked the donor 2013 engine today and the temp sensor bolt on it was loose and well on its way to a similar failure, bloody hell. Bought a brand new temp sensor and using lots of LocTite on its new fastening bolt.
i'd love to know how visible/accessible that sensor and bolt is under the bonnet (hood) of a complete and running car, Paul! What a design flaw!!
 
Since the motor is an unknown consider checking the timing chain tensioners & tensioner blades- JLR had a big issue (class action lawsuit) w/ chain rattle and engine failures due to poor engineering. A quick web search for 'Land Rover timing chain problems' will suffice. You may be opening the proverbial can & would need an experienced shop with proper tooling for correct chain installation. Pull a Carfax report & check oil service intervals- the factory recommended 12k oil service contributes to premature chain wear as well so if the PO were lax w/ maintenance that's another reason to consider checking chains if you plan on keeping truck.
the 2013 engine not a totally unknown quantity. I bought the wrecked 2013 because it had a $17,000 engine repair for failed timing chain tensioners, including two brand new heads, less than 3,000 kms before it then got hit head on on the drivers side. I have the repair receipt and I talked to the shop who did the timing chain repair, before i bought the wrecked 2013. I bought the 2013 directly from the fellow who owned the vehicle from new and was hospitalized by the accident. I have the full service history of the 2013 from new, it was well kept. Only real risk is whether anything in the engine was damaged by the accident..........

on my 2012, when i first bought it I had the $7,500 precautionary timing chain tensioner updates done. There are reasons why these hugely expensive vehicles can be purchased so cheaply once they are off warranty....... Then a crappy $30 temp sensor caught me out and cooked the motor, bloody hell....

for oil changes, I use the specific Jaguar/Land Rover 0W 20 oil from the dealer, and the dealer supplied oil filter, and have been changing every 5,000 kms or less, at about $280 a pop in supplies. Oil filter is a cartridge insert that installs in the top of the motor, and the oil is changed by vacuum suctioning it out, also from the top of the motor, through the oil filler port. Easy enough to change as long as you have a compressor and the large vacuum suction tool, which i do.
 
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So do you reckon that sensor that fell out is something that you'd be able to spot during normal routine maintenance, Paul? Not that you'd suspect it (if you didn't know in hindsight) but curious as to whether it's something that would even be accessible if you WANTED to check it. The motor accessibility issues sound dire!

And as for those 'service' costs ... :eek: ... and potential out of warranty costs ... :eek::eek::eek::eek:
 
I think its time to survey the lads and get some $$$$ horror story rip-off maintenance
and oil change costs charged by the nouveau Ducati and BMW boutiques. I'm guessing
there are some big dollar stories to ensue....
 
the 2013 engine not a totally unknown quantity. I bought the wrecked 2013 because it had a $17,000 engine repair for failed timing chain tensioners, including two brand new heads, less than 3,000 kms before it then got hit head on on the drivers side. I have the repair receipt and I talked to the shop who did the timing chain repair, before i bought the wrecked 2013. I bought the 2013 directly from the fellow who owned the vehicle from new and was hospitalized by the accident. I have the full service history of the 2013 from new, it was well kept. Only real risk is whether anything in the engine was damaged by the accident..........

on my 2012, when i first bought it I had the $7,500 precautionary timing chain tensioner updates done. There are reasons why these hugely expensive vehicles can be purchased so cheaply once they are off warranty....... Then a crappy $30 temp sensor caught me out and cooked the motor, bloody hell....

for oil changes, I use the specific Jaguar/Land Rover 0W 20 oil from the dealer, and the dealer supplied oil filter, and have been changing every 5,000 kms or less, at about $280 a pop in supplies. Oil filter is a cartridge insert that installs in the top of the motor, and the oil is changed by vacuum suctioning it out, also from the top of the motor, through the oil filler port. Easy enough to change as long as you have a compressor and the large vacuum suction tool, which i do.
Well done, I'm sure the replacement mill will be fine. Sounds like a great deal- did you get the PI case as well? To put the frequency of these repairs in context we have done coolant pipes on a '16 Velar, a '10 XF & a '12 XJR in the last two weeks & have a 5.0 engine swap in the queue-
 
Well done, I'm sure the replacement mill will be fine. Sounds like a great deal- did you get the PI case as well? To put the frequency of these repairs in context we have done coolant pipes on a '16 Velar, a '10 XF & a '12 XJR in the last two weeks & have a 5.0 engine swap in the queue-
I bought the complete but crash damaged 2013, so have everything. Now that the engine is out I am advertising the rest of the vehicle in parts. So far I have sold both tail lights, the surprisingly undamaged front grill, and have three different potential buyers saying they are interested in the black 20 inch wheels and tires. I am asking $2,400 just for the wheels and tires I have the front passenger side complete headlight assembly advertised for $1,200, etc. All realistic asking prices in Canadian dollars in my market., and I paid $4,250 for the complete wrecked 2013, I am hoping to break even on the 2013 and wind up with a free engine, we'll see......

with you obviously doing this for a living you have to have been laughing at me taking the supercharged engine out in my home garage without lifting the body off, anything is possible......
 
with you obviously doing this for a living you have to have been laughing at me taking the supercharged engine out in my home garage without lifting the body off, anything is possible......
Not at all- the work you do on both bikes & cars is impressive- not because of your age or condition but because you're a lawyer!!!
 
Not at all- the work you do on both bikes & cars is impressive- not because of your age or condition but because you're a lawyer!!!
lawyers, like every other job, come in all sizes, shapes, interests, hobbies, characters and personalities......;):cool::ROFLMAO:

the shop doing the engine swap started yesterday, had the cooked engine out well before the end of the day, replaced spark plugs, belts, and hoses etc. on the 2013 donor engine, and about 4 pm today sent me a video of my completed vehicle driving out of the service bay. Less than two working days, start to finish, engine out and donor engine in, without taking the body off. The service manager asked for permission to drive it home himself tonight and back to the shop in the morning just for quality assurance and to see if there may be any issues, so I am picking the completed vehicle up tomorrow. Very impressive.

My parts ad is running. I am fielding email enquiries for parts from the remains of my 2013 engine donor, I have enquiries for the 20 inch wheels and tires, both rear taillights, passenger side headlamp assembly, and some interior bits and bobs. I have put everyone off until the weekend, we will see who shows up and brings cash, or not.......

After I pick up the completed Range Rover, I then have to hook my trailer to it and go back and pick up the cooked engine, I am going to strip the cooked engine, the supercharger likely survived and if it did it is worth about $1,700 + used in my market, and things like the air con compressor, alternator, etc all have some value. Later I am going to fully strip the cooked engine just for my own curiosity.

I am also scheduled to pick up my 79 Lincoln Mark V on Saturday, it has completed its rounds of the specialty shops, now just needs a complete interior shampoo and an Apple Car Play head unit, with amp and decent speakers. I think I will then drive it for a bit before putting it on hydraulics and air bags.....:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::rolleyes::rolleyes::eek::eek:
 
lawyers, like every other job, come in all sizes, shapes, interests, hobbies, characters and personalities......;):cool::ROFLMAO:

the shop doing the engine swap started yesterday, had the cooked engine out well before the end of the day, replaced spark plugs, belts, and hoses etc. on the 2013 donor engine, and about 4 pm today sent me a video of my completed vehicle driving out of the service bay. Less than two working days, start to finish, engine out and donor engine in, without taking the body off. The service manager asked for permission to drive it home himself tonight and back to the shop in the morning just for quality assurance and to see if there may be any issues, so I am picking the completed vehicle up tomorrow. Very impressive.

My parts ad is running. I am fielding email enquiries for parts from the remains of my 2013 engine donor, I have enquiries for the 20 inch wheels and tires, both rear taillights, passenger side headlamp assembly, and some interior bits and bobs. I have put everyone off until the weekend, we will see who shows up and brings cash, or not.......

After I pick up the completed Range Rover, I then have to hook my trailer to it and go back and pick up the cooked engine, I am going to strip the cooked engine, the supercharger likely survived and if it did it is worth about $1,700 + used in my market, and things like the air con compressor, alternator, etc all have some value. Later I am going to fully strip the cooked engine just for my own curiosity.

I am also scheduled to pick up my 79 Lincoln Mark V on Saturday, it has completed its rounds of the specialty shops, now just needs a complete interior shampoo and an Apple Car Play head unit, with amp and decent speakers. I think I will then drive it for a bit before putting it on hydraulics and air bags.....:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::rolleyes::rolleyes::eek::eek:
I kid about the lawyer part, of course- you're gonna need a bigger garage! Great idea w/ parting out, don't forget about the converters! I never asked, 3 or 5 liter?
 
I am also scheduled to pick up my 79 Lincoln Mark V on Saturday, it has completed its rounds of the specialty shops, now just needs a complete interior shampoo and an Apple Car Play head unit, with amp and decent speakers. I think I will then drive it for a bit before putting it on hydraulics and air bags.....
Paul, are you thinking hydraulics like this?
 

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I kid about the lawyer part, of course- you're gonna need a bigger garage! Great idea w/ parting out, don't forget about the converters! I never asked, 3 or 5 liter?
yeah, I have the convertors off as well, laying in the trunk of the 2013 at the moment. Brutish heavy big things, at least when you are laying flat on your back reaching up. Had to take them off to get them out of the way of the sway bar and engine removal . I am basically going to strip the 2013 donor to a shell and sell off as much as I can.

both engines are the supercharged 5 liter quoted as 510 hp. The 2013 donor has 85,000 ks on it, which is roughly 53,000 miles.. My 2012 into which the 2013 has been transplanted has 120,000 kms, roughly 75,000 miles.

I had a much bigger garage and a much bigger house. This downsizing and working towards semi retirement sucks, I like the move into the much smaller house, but losing the big garage with high ceilings and my car lift hurt, bloody hell. Removing the 2013 engine would have been much easier in my previous home garage.
 
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