Gravity is not your friend

In a panic, you apparently smash the lever with all 4 fingers, that again apparently is what Antilock requires. Never had it on a bike, the latest even work with steering inputs happening. I don't think I have ever activated Antilock in my car, even in an emergency I don't think I could get past 45 years of NOT going that hard and well past locking foot pressure. Hard to BRAKE the habits of a lifetime.
 
Have tested the abs brakes on modern bikes quite a lot, when problems arise, and they are fixed, you need to test it.  Quite amazing really. A spare $20000 and i would buy a modern bike tomorrow for combat duties. 
 
martymoose said:
Have tested the abs brakes on modern bikes quite a lot, when problems arise, and they are fixed, you need to test it.  Quite amazing really. A spare $20000 and i would buy a modern bike tomorrow for combat duties.
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Maybe sell one of your fleet and you?d have change...
 
martymoose said:
Have tested the abs brakes on modern bikes quite a lot, when problems arise, and they are fixed, you need to test it.  Quite amazing really. A spare $20000 and i would buy a modern bike tomorrow for combat duties.
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ABS stopped me going over a 300+meter drop in the Andes travelling from Nazca to Cusco in 2012 (following Dakar) when a snowstorm blew in.  Stopped about 2m short of the drop with my life passing before my eyes and my clacker going full-tilt.  F 800 GS BMW. 

Amazing how quickly your brain senses the pulse of the ABS and goes, OK I?ll just grab some more lever.....
 
martymoose said:
Have tested the abs brakes on modern bikes quite a lot, when problems arise, and they are fixed, you need to test it.  Quite amazing really. A spare $20000 and i would buy a modern bike tomorrow for combat duties.
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How do you actually test it Marty? I have seen car brake test rollers but you could end up on your head if you put a bike on them.
ABS cuts in pretty often in winter here, amazing how far you still go on wet ice on winter tyres with the brakes pulsing on and off. Still have to go slow into suspicious situations.
 
Line the bike up with a white line and pull the lever. At about 20 km/h the abs will cut in. When it?s not a panic situation it?s easy to release the brake. I tried a few emergency stops on my normal combat bike, the Suzuki 1200 bandit, 120 front tyre, it?s a lot harder to lock the front. Maybe I got a patch of oil as well as panicking on the guzzi.

Cosi all my bikes are clapped out old heaps. Who?d buy a pre crashed Jota with 100,000 km on it?  Is patina worth that much?
 
DaveB said:
ABS stopped me going over a 300+meter drop in the Andes travelling from Nazca to Cusco in 2012 (following Dakar) when a snowstorm blew in.  Stopped about 2m short of the drop with my life passing before my eyes and my clacker going full-tilt.  F 800 GS BMW. 

Amazing how quickly your brain senses the pulse of the ABS and goes, OK I?ll just grab some more lever.....
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:o :o :o

Had the ABS working on our Skoda Scout a few times in panic stops - can't say whether i would have manages a similar stop without it. Also hads both ABS and traction control working overtime when towing a heavy camper trailer on very slippery roads over the Snowys.

Going into a corner in the dry a bit quick and braking into the corner I've had both operating at once and it's amazing how efficiently it keeps the car going where you want it to. It only operated for a second or less, but that's enough to do what's needed. Modern bikes must use lean angle to try and do something similar ... not easy on two wheels compared to four!

Imagine having four brake pedals on a car and trying to coordinate each one to keep a car under control in a bend!!
 
I had the ABS in a work vehicle (Toyota Prado) malfunction when I had to resort to panic braking on a narrow country road when a cocky on a tractor pulled out of a farm gate without looking. The ABS worked OK on three wheels but one of the rear wheels locked up solid until I released the pedal. It wore a flat spot in the tyre that forever after went clonk, clonk, clonk all the time as I drove along. Well, not quite forever, but until about 12 months later when I got new tyres.
 
Maybe so but they still don?t use abs or any race bike for that matter, you will crash, you never had abs when you learnt to ride, pretty sure your not incorporating abs into the SFQ
 
Doesn't ABS (etc) work by comparing front and rear wheel speeds? Most of them MotoGP blokes have the rear pretty much in the air on the way into corners (pretty much how you normally brake eh Cosi?  :o )
The ABS on a car I had didn't work until I freed up the rear brake pads that were rusted solid in the calipers, which is another of the joys of driving in winter where they salt the roads.
I have never missed having it on a bike, yet. In fact I have no interest whatsoever in getting a modern hyper electronic aid type bike.
 
I was amazed how much you can pull a bike down even in the wet without locking up - ( in a straight line) i have abs on my Explorer and i spent one wet day just hammering the front brakes trying to get it to lock up and it was far more than i ever wanted to be braking when it cut in - incidentally it also has traction control and in the 9 years i have had it - it has cut in once on a tight bend full of gravel , just allowed the bike to stand up ( dual purpose tyres ) and i carried on  :D 
 
I used to be opposed to ABS on my bikes for all the usual arguments listed above.

But it only needs to function once, a wet road and something completely unexpected inducing panic braking.
We don't panic brake as a rule because we keep a cool head, are in control all of the time, and are experienced motorcyclists.
But just once could make the difference.

I have ABS on my Aprilia. It's never come into play.

But then I'm an experienced motorcyclist. My defunct Saturno had 93 000 km on the clock and still the original pads.
But I did panic brake once with that when as I was accelerating from a set of lights a car pulled out right in front of me and stopped. I wasn't expecting it because the car came out of a one way, the wrong way. I hit the brakes very hard. Had the road been wet, I would have been under that car.

Paul
 
Cosi said:
Maybe so but they still don?t use abs or any race bike for that matter, you will crash, you never had abs when you learnt to ride, pretty sure your not incorporating abs into the SFQ
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Noooo! No ABS anywhere near it - I'm more than happy with my non-assisted brake performance.
 
when I ride my Guzzi V7 '71 I keep 30/50meters (100/170ft) at least, from the car in front me, because the brakes... of course..
Genrally other drivers do not understand my pourpose, so (I guess they are thinking: "look at this guy, vintage man... old man... very Mr Magoo man... ) and pass me.
So I keep again my safety distance, because the car filled the previous space.
Then the new driver, now just behind me, I guess is thinking"look at this guy, vintage man... old man... very Mr Magoo man... " and pass me.
So I keep again my safety distance, because the car filled the previous space.
Then the new driver, now just behind me, I guess is thinking"look at this guy, vintage man... old man... very Mr Magoo man... " and pass me.
...
Result: generally I cannot reach my destination, and my wife, when she looks at me with helmet and jacket, asks: "Where aren't you going today?"


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