Jota for sale in Canada

I believe the word Pommy comes from the French "pomme" (apple) and refers to the rosy pink cheeks of the English. It supposedly dates back to an era when the French and English were regularly puncturing each other with swords and arrows. A racial slur would make no sense in that context as the French and English are of the same "white European" racial group. At worst it's a slur against redheads rather than race. I presume there are fewer redheads in France.

I can guarantee that Vince had no racism in mind when using the term. Knowing the man's generosity of spirit, I think he'd be mortified if his words were taken that way.

Australians tend to use the word Pommy in a friendly and perhaps mischievously humorous way. Likewise, we often use seemingly derogatory terms such as "you old bastard" while shaking the hand of a friend. I guess it's a cultural thing that we express our friendship by insulting each other all the time. I suppose it could alarm a non-Australian who overhears such an exchange, but there's no need for alarm. It's a term of endearment.

At the risk of causing further offence, it seems to me that in recent years people in general have become overly sensitive and quick to get offended about particular words. I don't understand how "Pommy" can be a racist slur when it doesn't refer to race. It refers to nationality (nationality and race are very different things). It's like calling Australians "diggers" or New Zealanders "kiwis". There's no racial implication and no offence is intended. For some reason that escapes me, we like to use nicknames for everything.
 
Disputes about whether the term Pom is derogatory or offensive have occurred since 1925.[14] The Oxford Dictionary defines its use as "often derogatory",[15] but after complaints to the Australian Advertising Standards Board about five advertisements using the term "poms", the board ruled in 2006 that these words are inoffensive, in part because they are "largely used in playful or affectionate terms".[16] The New Zealand Broadcasting Standards Authority made a similar ruling in 2010

By the way. What do you think the Jota should sell for? Seems like such a good candidate for a driver that can be gotten into at a good price.
 
Steve G. said:
You will accept though Paul, that many will find this “non matching numbers” machine to have lesser value? I’ve seen this at the many auctions I’ve been to, right down to Craigslist adverts.
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Hi Steve.

Yes I accept that "matching numbers" vs "non matching numbers" is important to some people. Makes no sense whatsoever to me, unless I am buying and can get it cheaper as a result......... 🤣 (y)

Some people also demand original brake lines (now over 40 years old) with correct tags and markings, original tires if possible, and original Italian air in the tires. I have a couple of Laverda parts bins stashed away full of removed original brake lines, part of my retirement planning as I intend to sell them on eBay for huge money to "collectors". :eek: A couple of years ago I actually sold on eBay an original low mileage set of Pirelli Phantoms for good money despite being rock hard and unusable for anything other than display. I put a huge disclaimer in the sales ad that they were not even remotely suitable for being ridden on, they still sold.

I am going to be in central B.C meeting up with Andy and Dave Higgs and crew around Kaslo etc July 7 - 13, and on Vancouver Island and area June 25 - July 5. Any interest in meeting up? Message me if interested. Will not have a Laverda with, will be on the 2022 Kawasaki H2 SX SE, Diane will be on her 2024 Can AM Spyder F3T. Somewhere in the Kaslo meetup up will be trying to meet up with Wolfgang, but Andy is organizing that.
 
Steve G. said:
I only bring it up, cause,,,,golly,,,25 years ago I was banned from an ancient Laverda chat room for using that term.
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made me smile, and think of Tim Sowerbutts (the Three Dellorttos) who made a huge splash at the time in the same chat room....... I met up with Tim in Manchester UK in person a few years ago now, didn't fit his online persona at all........
 
Paul LeClair said:
made me smile, and think of Tim Sowerbutts (the Three Dellorttos) who made a huge splash at the time in the same chat room....... I met up with Tim in Manchester UK in person a few years ago now, didn't fit his online persona at all........
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AKA Tim The Enchanter ?
 
TeddyG said:
Hmm- I only paid $70 to insure my 750. It seems the market for Lavs ebbs and flows. It depends where they're sold- Bella Moto in CA here has crazy prices https://www.bellomoto.com/laverdapage
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Bella Moto are nuts.
I don't pay much to insure my bikes either but the insurer has them over valued. My recently incinerated 3C was valued at €15 000 which was good for me since I got what was needed from the insurer to rebuild it but when it will be rebuilt, hopefully next winter, I'd have trouble selling it for €10 000, so it would be better for me from a financial point, to declare it stolen and throw it in the canal.
Paul
 
Paul Marx said:
Bella Moto are nuts.
I don't pay much to insure my bikes either but the insurer has them over valued. My recently incinerated 3C was valued at €15 000 which was good for me since I got what was needed from the insurer to rebuild it but when it will be rebuilt, hopefully next winter, I'd have trouble selling it for €10 000, so it would be better for me from a financial point, to declare it stolen and throw it in the canal.
Paul
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I just went and looked at the Bell Moto website. Have any of those bikes ever sold for anywhere near asking prices?

oh, and my 1982 1200 TS Mirage Series 2 is lower mileage and way nicer than the one on the Bella Moto website with their asking price of $15,950 USD, which is $22,000 Canadian, bloody hell.........
 
Paul Marx said:
I'd have trouble selling it for €10 000, so it would be better for me from a financial point, to declare it stolen and throw it in the canal.
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When I was in my late teenage years, I knew a guy who hid his bike in a mate's garage, reported it as stolen and made an insurance claim. He got the insurance pay-out, re-painted the bike a different colour, changed its numbers and registered it as a different bike. He actually got away with it. He even had the temerity to insure the "new" bike with the same insurer!
He was lucky that those of us who knew the true story of his "stolen" bike never reported it to the cops. I guess we all thought it was a daring venture, and a win for the little guy over the big nasty insurance conglomerate.
 
Paul LeClair said:
I just went and looked at the Bell Moto website. Have any of those bikes ever sold for anywhere near asking prices?

oh, and my 1982 1200 TS Mirage Series 2 is lower mileage and way nicer than the one on the Bella Moto website with their asking price of $15,950 USD, which is $22,000 Canadian, bloody hell.........
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That Paul can be said of a lot of the for sale ads with glossy photos. A lot of prices are far from reality. But no doubt some sell never to be seen again.
Paul
 
Dellortoman said:
When I was in my late teenage years, I knew a guy who hid his bike in a mate's garage, reported it as stolen and made an insurance claim. He got the insurance pay-out, re-painted the bike a different colour, changed its numbers and registered it as a different bike. He actually got away with it. He even had the temerity to insure the "new" bike with the same insurer!
He was lucky that those of us who knew the true story of his "stolen" bike never reported it to the cops. I guess we all thought it was a daring venture, and a win for the little guy over the big nasty insurance conglomerate.
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I know of one 750 SFC like that in France with its original numbers however. It's even on the Laverdamania "register".
Paul
 
There is an old Mafia saying, a secret held by 2 people isn't a secret. If you're going to commit a crime, don't tell every buggar you know the whats and wherefores unless you want to be caught.
 
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