Jota Side Stand

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My Jota (1979 180) has no side stand, should it have one?
I am considering purchasing a complete kit from a guy on Facebook Marketplace. His name is Grant Duguid, is he a club member, has anyone purchased this kit and is it a good buy at £210 plus postage? Your guidance would be much appreciated.
 
I once built this for a gent with an injured/partially disabled left leg. He couldn't dismount without using the side stand but couldn't deploy the stock stand while sitting on the bike. This was a completely bolt-on solution as he wanted everything to be easily reversable with no welding on the frame. He was very happy with the outcome.

Guess it was a better solution than having to swap the Lav with a Honda Step-thru... ;)

piet


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Not as standard.

Alumacraft sell a kit that uses a modified bracket to avoid tangling prop with the centre stand. Dunno if Grant's kit does.
Ian Shearer worked with Alumacraft on the mod. Currently showing out of stock but give em a call - Link
Grant's kit interferes with the centre stand, except if you use an additional plate to move the stand itself back.
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I once built this for a gent with an injured/partially disabled left leg. He couldn't dismount without using the side stand but couldn't deploy the stock stand while sitting on the bike. This was a completely bolt-on solution as he wanted everything to be easily reversable with no welding on the frame. He was very happy with the outcome.

Guess it was a better solution than having to swap the Lav with a Honda Step-thru... ;)

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Looks really well made Piet.
 
I've got this crazy idea in my head that I could fit a functional sidestand to my left leg of my centre. I definitely don't have space for a 'regular frame-mount side stand. Haven't even looked at the viability - it's just a thought bubble at the mo. But when my centre stand broke in the middle I was actually able to use the left piece - which still had the spring attached - as a side stand (of sorts).

I have no issue with only having a centre stand except when I'm loaded and can't get my leg over the luggage without feeling decidedly unstable, and feeding my leg through the gap b/w tank and seat hump/luggage does the same. So it would only be used for getting off the bike, then I'd put it straight onto the centre stand.
 
Someone years back made a few side stands that went over the footpeg and, when not used, went back into your tank bag. I think Yogi bought one for his Barcelona Replica. It was a steel ring on one end of a leg. Obviously, only for emergency use with a fixed, non-pivoting peg and the bike in gear so it won't roll off.
 
I've got this crazy idea in my head that I could fit a functional sidestand to my left leg of my centre. I definitely don't have space for a 'regular frame-mount side stand.
I've designed and made side and centre stands for bikes that never had them. It's something I've developed into a kind of specialty over the years, and have done a couple of custom stands for mates. If there's nowhere suitable on the frame to fit a side stand, you have to get creative. Any design has to consider ease of operation, stability of the bike when on the stand, cornering clearance and visual impact. Sometimes it's a challenge to create a stand that'll tuck away nicely and not look out of place on the bike. I've had a couple of difficult ones, but so far not had a side or centre stand job that's defeated me. There's always a way to do it.

For maximum stability, a side stand needs to be placed near the centre of the bike. Those factory Laverda triple side stands that attach to the left front engine mount are pretty crap. My first Laverda (a 1200) had one of those and I hated it.

The answer is normally a sub-frame of some kind that's either bolted or welded in place. Bolt on solutions are sometimes preferred if you don't want to make a permanent alteration to an original classic, or if a welded structure would get in the way of future engine removal. These fixtures can take the shape of the plate typically used for the Laverda triples or a sub-frame fitted between the lower frame rails. I used a bolt-on plate similar to the Laverda solution for my MHR Ducati.

I applied a bolt-on subframe solution for the centre stand that I made for my Benelli Tre-K. The sub-frame attaches via the footrest mounting bracket bolts and carries the centre stand pivot. As far as I'm aware, it's the only Benelli Tre-K on the planet with a centre stand.

A Laverda 750 could be an interesting challenge for a side stand because there's no frame under the engine to fix stuff onto. The solution might be something that attaches to footrest mounts, rear engine mounts, or perhaps somewhere else. I might go and visit a mate who has a 750 and have a grovel around underneath to see what possibilities present themselves.

Your idea of attaching a side stand to the left leg of the centre stand is one I hadn't considered before. It has merit in that it requires no modification to the bike's frame. There are a couple of things you'd need to consider though. There's a potential source of instability because the centre stand's pivot could allow the bike to roll backwards while on the side stand, pivoting the whole centre + side stand assembly forward. You'd also need to make sure the centre stand springs can support the additional weight of a side stand hanging off it.

Maybe a more workable idea would be to mount the side stand on the same pivot as the centre stand, using an extended centre stand pivot bolt to carry the side stand in a cantilever fashion. A cantilever side stand pivot is not unprecedented. My Benelli Tre-K has one. Apparently early versions would occasionally snap off, dumping the bike on the ground, but they improved the design with a larger diameter pivot bolt that seems have cured it.

The most recent job I did was a side stand for a mate's "Bural" (Ural with BMW engine) last year. I opted for a bolt-on sub-frame between the frame rails to mount the side stand pivot on. It wasn't a particularly neat looking job because a clunky-looking fitting suited the bike's "steam punk" character. I actually used a hex head bolt as the stand's toe lever just to accentuate the clunky aesthetic. I've attached some pictures below for your amusement. I don't remember what the stand itself originally came off. It's one I'd had hanging around in my spare parts junk heap for years. I don't even remember how or when I acquired it. I'd guess it's off a Japanese bike of some sort and was discarded because the pivot was flogged out. I had to make up a new bearing bolt and then weld up the pivot hole and re-drill it to suit the new bolt.

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I've got this crazy idea in my head that I could fit a functional sidestand to my left leg of my centre. I definitely don't have space for a 'regular frame-mount side stand. Haven't even looked at the viability - it's just a thought bubble at the mo. But when my centre stand broke in the middle I was actually able to use the left piece - which still had the spring attached - as a side stand (of sorts).

I have no issue with only having a centre stand except when I'm loaded and can't get my leg over the luggage without feeling decidedly unstable, and feeding my leg through the gap b/w tank and seat hump/luggage does the same. So it would only be used for getting off the bike, then I'd put it straight onto the centre stand.
Maybe I have misunderstood, but doesn't the factory sidestand attach to the left arm of the centre stand on the 750's?
Have one on my Eagle and it is pretty useless but perhaps it has been bent or something. I haven't really worried about trying to fix it.
 

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Maybe I have misunderstood, but doesn't the factory sidestand attach to the left arm of the centre stand on the 750's?
Have one on my Eagle and it is pretty useless but perhaps it has been bent or something. I haven't really worried about trying to fix it.
No. The 750 side stand has its own seperate lug.

These stands often suffer from years of abuse and neglect. The pivot bolts are mostly knackered, the pivot bush often omitted or replaced with something totally unsuitable and the whole plot is usually fitted with far too much slop.

Reaming the pivot bore and making a bush to fit along with a new, correct pivot bolt will usually reduce the slop to an acceptable level and make the stand quite usable again.

piet
 
No. The 750 side stand has its own seperate lug.

These stands often suffer from years of abuse and neglect. The pivot bolts are mostly knackered, the pivot bush often omitted or replaced with something totally unsuitable and the whole plot is usually fitted with far too much slop.

Reaming the pivot bore and making a bush to fit along with a new, correct pivot bolt will usually reduce the slop to an acceptable level and make the stand quite usable again.

piet
Ahhh, of course it does, think my brain just imagined something while sitting at the computer, oops!
No doubt mine is in need of some work as you say Piet, must take it apart and have a look at what is actually going on..................
(Currently have it on the bike stand so might be timely to get it sorted so it works!!)
 
Yes, the std SF does have a side stand, Cam. Mine was completely removed, lug cut from frame, when i fitted the factory 2/1. Also requires removing and fitting a new left centre stand lug further inboard and cutting the the left leg off the stand and fitting one at an angle to clear the 2/1. Cornering clearance is absolute number one for me, so was happy to lose the std system.

The SFQ has a twin system (kinda like a triple) so the right side had to be redesigned as well and a totally new stand made. The right side also had to clear the chain, so quite a head scratcher ... I discovered just how head scratchy when I put the whole package together and realised I hadn't fitted the chain when designing the new centre stand!!

I haven't even looked to see ho much room there is 'under there' for a sidestand - it's just an idea i've tossed around in my head. Had also thought about using the centre stand pivot bolt, Cam. But I think my clearance to the pipes is too tight (for any of this!).
 
After loving the sidestand on my 3c, I wanted one for my Pantah. Everyone said never made, forgetting the Cagiva Alazzurra is a badge-engineered Pantah that came with a sidestand. After a year of watching, I finally found a sidestand available from the USA. A month later it arrived, so after it took 20 minutes to fit the stand to my Laverda I hoped it would be similar. Not quite. It uses the left side centrestand bolt to mount, except you need the proper Cargiva bolt; it's longer and specially shaped to mount both stands. So again, another month and that special bolt arrived. You then need to find a way to hold the bike up while both stands come off; the whole exhaust comes off as well, the 300mm lower engine mount bolt as well; that took lots of hours, and after all that the sidestand needs bending to avoid the bike leaning over way too much. It's way harder than the Laverda one to fit.
 
While speaking of stands and the difficuty in making them, the owner of this beauty dearly wanted a centre stand.
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So, apart from restoring it from a rusty wreck, I needed to come up with a way to attach the stand in the first place. Anybody knowing anything about Eglis and their derivatives will realise there's nothing but open space under the engine and no frame whatsoever... As a SFC 2-2 exhaust was to be fitted, I decided I may as well use the post-74 SFC item instead of making one from scratch. Making a mount was a whole different matter. I used a large bore, thin-walled tube as a cross member between the engine plates (these were custom-made from 10mm sheet to replace the weedy 1/4" stuff originally used), needing to create clearance for the chain run. This entailed making completely different mounting plates for left an right hand sides. While the RH plate is the bare minimum required for overall stability, the LH plate takes up the majority of torsional forces that arise when the bike is lobbed onto the stand. Lugs quite similar to what the SFC uses take up the stand, along with the stock bushes and bolts. The spring attachment was also copied from the SFC. It worked out surprisingly well, the long tang made it easier to deploy than a stock SFC!
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I was later tasked to make a side stand for it as well, but forgot to take pics of that.

piet
 
While speaking of stands and the difficuty in making them, the owner of this beauty dearly wanted a centre stand.
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So, apart from restoring it from a rusty wreck, I needed to come up with a way to attach the stand in the first place. Anybody knowing anything about Eglis and their derivatives will realise there's nothing but open space under the engine and no frame whatsoever... As a SFC 2-2 exhaust was to be fitted, I decided I may as well use the post-74 SFC item instead of making one from scratch. Making a mount was a whole different matter. I used a large bore, thin-walled tube as a cross member between the engine plates (these were custom-made from 10mm sheet to replace the weedy 1/4" stuff originally used), needing to create clearance for the chain run. This entailed making completely different mounting plates for left an right hand sides. While the RH plate is the bare minimum required for overall stability, the LH plate takes up the majority of torsional forces that arise when the bike is lobbed onto the stand. Lugs quite similar to what the SFC uses take up the stand, along with the stock bushes and bolts. The spring attachment was also copied from the SFC. It worked out surprisingly well, the long tang made it easier to deploy than a stock SFC!
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I was later tasked to make a side stand for it as well, but forgot to take pics of that.

piet
This is an achingly beautiful build. The colour, the seat, the frame. Calendar worthy!
 
I've designed and made side and centre stands for bikes that never had them. It's something I've developed into a kind of specialty over the years, and have done a couple of custom stands for mates. If there's nowhere suitable on the frame to fit a side stand, you have to get creative. Any design has to consider ease of operation, stability of the bike when on the stand, cornering clearance and visual impact. Sometimes it's a challenge to create a stand that'll tuck away nicely and not look out of place on the bike. I've had a couple of difficult ones, but so far not had a side or centre stand job that's defeated me. There's always a way to do it.

For maximum stability, a side stand needs to be placed near the centre of the bike. Those factory Laverda triple side stands that attach to the left front engine mount are pretty crap. My first Laverda (a 1200) had one of those and I hated it.

The answer is normally a sub-frame of some kind that's either bolted or welded in place. Bolt on solutions are sometimes preferred if you don't want to make a permanent alteration to an original classic, or if a welded structure would get in the way of future engine removal. These fixtures can take the shape of the plate typically used for the Laverda triples or a sub-frame fitted between the lower frame rails. I used a bolt-on plate similar to the Laverda solution for my MHR Ducati.

I applied a bolt-on subframe solution for the centre stand that I made for my Benelli Tre-K. The sub-frame attaches via the footrest mounting bracket bolts and carries the centre stand pivot. As far as I'm aware, it's the only Benelli Tre-K on the planet with a centre stand.

A Laverda 750 could be an interesting challenge for a side stand because there's no frame under the engine to fix stuff onto. The solution might be something that attaches to footrest mounts, rear engine mounts, or perhaps somewhere else. I might go and visit a mate who has a 750 and have a grovel around underneath to see what possibilities present themselves.

Your idea of attaching a side stand to the left leg of the centre stand is one I hadn't considered before. It has merit in that it requires no modification to the bike's frame. There are a couple of things you'd need to consider though. There's a potential source of instability because the centre stand's pivot could allow the bike to roll backwards while on the side stand, pivoting the whole centre + side stand assembly forward. You'd also need to make sure the centre stand springs can support the additional weight of a side stand hanging off it.

Maybe a more workable idea would be to mount the side stand on the same pivot as the centre stand, using an extended centre stand pivot bolt to carry the side stand in a cantilever fashion. A cantilever side stand pivot is not unprecedented. My Benelli Tre-K has one. Apparently early versions would occasionally snap off, dumping the bike on the ground, but they improved the design with a larger diameter pivot bolt that seems have cured it.

The most recent job I did was a side stand for a mate's "Bural" (Ural with BMW engine) last year. I opted for a bolt-on sub-frame between the frame rails to mount the side stand pivot on. It wasn't a particularly neat looking job because a clunky-looking fitting suited the bike's "steam punk" character. I actually used a hex head bolt as the stand's toe lever just to accentuate the clunky aesthetic. I've attached some pictures below for your amusement. I don't remember what the stand itself originally came off. It's one I'd had hanging around in my spare parts junk heap for years. I don't even remember how or when I acquired it. I'd guess it's off a Japanese bike of some sort and was discarded because the pivot was flogged out. I had to make up a new bearing bolt and then weld up the pivot hole and re-drill it to suit the new bolt.

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Nice job! How about a pic of your MHR sidestand setup. Hip pain forced me to install the "crappy" stand on my 3C. Does the job. Any sidestand solution for my MHR would be nice. I bought a couple different Kwaka stands when I was going to do the 'Bushman thing'. I think I will need a stepped shank bolt if I want to fit an OEM one (Japan only market) stand, if I can find one and want to pay stupid coin for it.
 
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