Jota Side Stand

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My Jota (1979 180) has no side stand, should it have one?
I am considering purchasing a complete kit from a guy on Facebook Marketplace. His name is Grant Duguid, is he a club member, has anyone purchased this kit and is it a good buy at £210 plus postage? Your guidance would be much appreciated.
 
no issues with exhaust, i aligned the stand to the muffler, not on in this pic, to get the best angle and clearance to muffler, before drilling the stand mounting holes.
centre stand tang was cut off and re welded approx an inch higher, now both stands can be used independently of each other
 
Nice job! How about a pic of your MHR sidestand setup.
Your wish is my command.

Fitment did require a minor modification to the bike itself. I drilled a hole through the left rear engine mounting frame plate to accept a bolt. For rivet counter purists, I could have come up with an alternative to drilling a hole in the sacred Ducati metal, like making a larger plate to pick up the engine mount bolt a bit further away to the upper left of my naughty hole. But I'm afraid I'm not such a purist. The reason I didn't do that is because I'd have needed a longer engine mounting bolt to account for the thickness of the plate. But that engine mounting bolt goes right through to the other side so it's something like 250mm long. It's high tensile so sourcing a longer one would have been a challenge. I couldn't simply replace it with a length of threaded rod because that stuff is normally a lower grade of steel.

Besides, I'd already blotted my rivet counter copybook by drilling a hole through the opposite frame plate to fit what's known in Ducati circles as a case saver. It's a nylon bush to lift the lower chain run off the cast aluminium engine casing. I've attached a picture of that too in case you're interested.

The bolt to the lower right is part of the centre stand pivot. The original pivot has a stepped shank. I needed a longer thread to accommodate the stand mounting plate, so I replaced the original stepped shank pivot with a longer bolt and a bush for the centre stand to pivot on.

The mounting plate is about 8mm thick. It was a piece of rusty old crap I had lying around that I cleaned up with a grinder. You can see there's still a few rust pits in it, but the whole project was something of an experimental prototype so I wasn't too fussy about materials. I was just testing the design concept, but it was such a success that it's still there 20 years later. The stand came off a Kawasaki ZZR 600 I think, and the stand mounting holes in the plate are tapped for the M8 mounting bolts. Obviously the bolts had to be short enough to not penetrate the plate and bind against the Ducati frame plate. I was a little concerned about the holes being deep enough. If I'd had a bit of 10mm plate lying around I probably would have used it. But as it turned out, the 8mm plate was perfectly adequate. Just as a comparison, an M8 nut is only about 6.5mm thick, so I've actually got more thread engagement than a nut.

The rest is simple. Bolt the stand on and Bob's your uncle. Oh, except that the stand needed a longer foot lever, so I welded on a 4" nail.

The stand doesn't affect cornering clearance. The fairing is the first thing to hit the deck in a hard lean.

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My Pantah also has a very long lower engine mounting bolt that required the massive exhaust collector to come off to get at it; mine was rusted solid on the headers, so they also came off, all while crawling around the bike trying to avoid the ropes to the ceiling required while both stands were off. Not my favourite job, from memory mid-summer and bloody hot in my tin shed; the further into this job you got, the more complicated it ended up.
 
Fitted one of these ( can`t remember who supplied it offhand ) with a Kawasaki ZX-12R side stand to the Mirage and it worked well , although in my case I removed the centre stand to provide better clearance .

I have a vague memory of the BSA C11/ 12 Owners Club discussing this same ZX-12R fitment , and saying that if it could keep a Beganze triple shiny side up , then it should present no problems as far as their pushrod 250`s were concerned .......

When telling Richard Slater I was going to fit this to the 1200 , his response was " but they have a side stand fitted already " ......... which is true , but ...............
 
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Your wish is my command.

Fitment did require a minor modification to the bike itself. I drilled a hole through the left rear engine mounting frame plate to accept a bolt. For rivet counter purists, I could have come up with an alternative to drilling a hole in the sacred Ducati metal, like making a larger plate to pick up the engine mount bolt a bit further away to the upper left of my naughty hole. But I'm afraid I'm not such a purist. The reason I didn't do that is because I'd have needed a longer engine mounting bolt to account for the thickness of the plate. But that engine mounting bolt goes right through to the other side so it's something like 250mm long. It's high tensile so sourcing a longer one would have been a challenge. I couldn't simply replace it with a length of threaded rod because that stuff is normally a lower grade of steel.

Besides, I'd already blotted my rivet counter copybook by drilling a hole through the opposite frame plate to fit what's known in Ducati circles as a case saver. It's a nylon bush to lift the lower chain run off the cast aluminium engine casing. I've attached a picture of that too in case you're interested.

The bolt to the lower right is part of the centre stand pivot. The original pivot has a stepped shank. I needed a longer thread to accommodate the stand mounting plate, so I replaced the original stepped shank pivot with a longer bolt and a bush for the centre stand to pivot on.

The mounting plate is about 8mm thick. It was a piece of rusty old crap I had lying around that I cleaned up with a grinder. You can see there's still a few rust pits in it, but the whole project was something of an experimental prototype so I wasn't too fussy about materials. I was just testing the design concept, but it was such a success that it's still there 20 years later. The stand came off a Kawasaki ZZR 600 I think, and the stand mounting holes in the plate are tapped for the M8 mounting bolts. Obviously the bolts had to be short enough to not penetrate the plate and bind against the Ducati frame plate. I was a little concerned about the holes being deep enough. If I'd had a bit of 10mm plate lying around I probably would have used it. But as it turned out, the 8mm plate was perfectly adequate. Just as a comparison, an M8 nut is only about 6.5mm thick, so I've actually got more thread engagement than a nut.

The rest is simple. Bolt the stand on and Bob's your uncle. Oh, except that the stand needed a longer foot lever, so I welded on a 4" nail.

The stand doesn't affect cornering clearance. The fairing is the first thing to hit the deck in a hard lean.

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Excellent pictorial / tutorial Cam! Thanks!
 
Nice job! How about a pic of your MHR sidestand setup. Hip pain forced me to install the "crappy" stand on my 3C. Does the job. Any sidestand solution for my MHR would be nice. I bought a couple different Kwaka stands when I was going to do the 'Bushman thing'. I think I will need a stepped shank bolt if I want to fit an OEM one (Japan only market) stand, if I can find one and want to pay stupid coin for it.
I got a side stand for my MHR from Mdina Italia.
Comes with a longer engine bolt etc. Works well.
But I do like Cams set up.
 
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