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Every so often, you come across something, on t'internet, that makes you go "What the..."
This "3cE" ("comes with a Slaters certificate verifying it's(sic) authenticity") for sale currently at £15,500 makes me think Roger Slater may have been wrong about what the 'E' stood for.
What do you think?

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Asking a price is one thing, getting is in the hands of the "Special Buyer". Not unique to motorcycles or any object of desire for that matter. Musical instruments i know something about, old Fender basses are a notable, have a 1976 Fender Precision Bass, known to me as "The Boat Anchor" even with that name it would be a floating anchor. Silly silly money asked for this type of bass, obviously prospective player have never played one, Should i be a doom sayer, if buyers believe in the myths, equates to my financial betterment, though what cost a conscious...

Nice looking factory type image restoration all the same. j
 
Where is my hammer? Then a hacksaw to the frame backbone and I will be unbeatable. I now know all the tricks to a fast Laverda, you paying attention Red.
 
I`d have thought the money is pretty much there for a clean example of the second most attractive motorcycle Laverda ever produced ........ on a par with a Jota asking - price wise ........ Only downside is that when someone says " Nice Jota mate " , you will have to say " Well actually it`s not a Jota , it`s a 3CE " ............. which should stop the conversation dead in it`s tracks , and result in the interested party wandering off with a puzzled look on his face ........

Only ( other ) problem is , it`s so nice you will have to find another , scruffier , Laverda for everyday use .......... which probably won`t be too much of a problem for someone who has £15.5 grand to splash around in the first place .......
 
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rocketonarail said:
I`d have thought the money is pretty much there for a clean example of the second most attractive motorcycle Laverda ever produced ........ on a par with a Jota asking - price wise ........ Only downside is that when someone says " Nice Jota mate " , you will have to say " Well actually it`s not a Jota , it`s a 3CE " ............. which should stop the conversation dead in it`s tracks , and result in the interested party wandering off with a puzzled look on his face ........

Only ( other ) problem is , it`s so nice you will have to find another , scruffier , Laverda for everyday use .......... which probably won`t be too much of a problem for someone who has £15.5 grand to splash around in the first place .......
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The most attractive big motorcycles Laverda made were twins.
Paul
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My league table of attractiveness at the moment , ( with the 3C / 3CE second most attractive , as mentioned earlier ) ........... the SFC is at number one by default ........ the other entries are always subject to change ............ ( whenever I change my mind ) .........


SFC Electronica
`73-`75 3C ( including 3CE`s ) .....
750 S ( Grimeca , and early SF`s with that styling )
3CL ( including 180 degree Jotas )
100 Regolarita ( not the 125 , although that`s ok )
Monty Mk 1
650 Sport ( Letterbox Headlight )
Mini Scooter
750 Formula ( Orange / Silver )
RGS ( from certain angles )
 
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The motorcycle, in question, is fitted with standard, strangulating silencers, so how is it a 3cE?
If you take a 'Jota' and fit A11 cams, 9.5 to 1 pistons, hideously restrictive collector and a set of those silencers, is it still a 'Jota'?
Or a 3CL?
Discuss?
 
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The motorcycle, in question, is fitted with standard, strangulating silencers, so how is it a 3cE?
If you take a 'Jota' and fit A11 cams, 9.5 to 1 pistons, hideously restrictive collector and a set of those silencers, is it still a 'Jota'?
Or a 3CL?
Discuss?
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And vice versa, and does it have a certificate and how much is it worth?
Which oil should I use?
Paul
 
If it comes with a Slater note saying it`s a 3CE , then I would tell anyone who asked that it`s a 3CE .............. If I was the person about to purchase it , and I was spending that amount of money , then I might have an interest in if It started life as an "E" or not ........ and if I found the 3C mufflers were worrying me , then I would get hold of a pair of Jota pipes and collector box if need be , and stick those on ....... job done .......

i wouldn`t expect a 48 year old bike to necessarily be to the same spec as when it was new ..........

As to the Jota question ........ If you took a bike that started out as a Jota , but then changed cams , pistons , carb settings and exhaust and so on for 3CL parts .......... then yes , it most certainly would still be a Jota ........ just a Jota that someone has been messing around with , that`s all ......... Likewise fitting Jota parts to a 3CL ........ it`s still a 3CL ...........
 
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As to the Jota question ........ If you took a bike that started out as a Jota , but then changed cams , pistons , carb settings and exhaust and so on for 3CL parts .......... then yes , it most certainly would still be a Jota ........ just a Jota that someone has been messing around with , that`s all ......... Likewise fitting Jota parts to a 3CL ........ it`s still a 3CL ...........
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There were examples, back in the day, of a bike sold as a 'Jota', later turning out to have had A11 cams in it. Is it still a genuine 'Jota'?
When the 'Jarama' bikes were brought back from the States, by Slaters, some were fitted with 4C cams, hi-comp pistons and open exhausts, before sale, like the "original" 'Jota'.
What did that make them?
We called them 'Jarota's, at the time.
To me the whole 'Jota' thing smells a lot like "the fragments of the one true cross".
 
I guess we know what a Jota should be ( I think this path has been trod many times before !!! ) ......... Even if your Jota isn`t exactly to spec , either because Luigi at the factory fitted the wrong cams , or found the bike easier to set up on standard carb settings , as they worked better with the Lafranconis they had available , or isn`t to spec because an owner has changed it ........ it doesn`t matter ....... you can always make changes to bring it back to correct spec yourself ........ back to the spec you know a Jota should be ........ whether that spec is `76 Slater , or `79 Factory .........

Even if I had bought a certified Jota new from Slaters , and found by some chance it had A11 ( 3CL ) cams fitted in error , it wouldn`t stop it from being a Jota ...... it would just be a Jota with the wrong cams fitted ..........

Conversley , if I had bought a 3CL new from Slaters , and found by some chance it had 4C ( Jota ) cams fitted in error , it wouldn`t stop it from being a 3CL ...... it would just be a 3CL with the wrong cams fitted .......

Something similar happened with a road test 3CL supplied through a Slater dealer which gave poor performance results ....... although destined for this country it was found to have French / Swiss A12`s fitted , instead of A11`s ....... Obviously Slaters weren`t about to check the cam rating of every 3CL which passed through their hands ....... there shouldn`t have been any need ......... So there are always going to be some bikes , for whatever reason , which are not as they should be ........ If that`s the case , then change it back to how it was originally intended to be ......

Would the Jaramas converted to Jota spec have been certified / included as being genuine Jotas by Slaters ? ............. Somebody out there will probably know ........

............. All I know is that if I found I owned one of these converted Jaramas , then that`s how I would regard it .......... in other words , I would regard it as being a " Jarota " ....... not a Jota ........... probably in much the same way that Slaters themselves would recognise the difference between the original Jotas , and the Jaramas they converted later on ........

BTW ..... It seems it might just have been possible that some SF1 and SF2 road test machines supplied to the bike magazines here in the UK , might somehow or other have been fitted with SFC ( 2C ) cams ........ one can only imagine how such an error may have occurred ........ So what would you call a SF fitted with SFC cams ........ ? ........ ( I would still call it a SF ....... ) .............

My typing finger ( middle one , right hand ) is worn out ..... I`m off to bed ........
 
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rocketonarail said:
I`d have thought the money is pretty much there for a clean example of the second most attractive motorcycle Laverda ever produced ........ on a par with a Jota asking - price wise ........ Only downside is that when someone says " Nice Jota mate " , you will have to say " Well actually it`s not a Jota , it`s a 3CE " ............. which should stop the conversation dead in it`s tracks , and result in the interested party wandering off with a puzzled look on his face ........

Only ( other ) problem is , it`s so nice you will have to find another , scruffier , Laverda for everyday use .......... which probably won`t be too much of a problem for someone who has £15.5 grand to splash around in the first place .......
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And what’s this worth?
Full Oro restoration, new old stock frame, stove enameled, new wheels almost everything new. Motor rebuilt.

Yep, I know, it’s not 100% original, but it floats my boat
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