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Not advice aimed at prospective Laverda owners in particular , but generally relevant advice to anyone thinking of buying a 50 year old bike ..........

There are two Jotas on UK eBay at the moment , both at £15,000 .

One was rebuilt " by Richard Slater " , and has 3500 miles on the clock it seems ........ whether this three and a half thousand miles is all that has been covered since 1978 , or is the mileage since the rebuild isn`t made clear .........
The obvious question is , if this is the total mileage since new , then why on earth would it need an engine rebuild before it has barely been run in ? ........... ....... Unless it had been killed by being sat unused in someones " collection " for god knows how long , and needed this rebuild to bring it back to life again ......... or alternatively , if this is just the mileage covered since the Slater rebuild , then how long ago was this rebuild done ?

Either way , I would want to see some proof of recent mileage covered ....... otherwise you run the risk of buying someone else`s unused ornament , with all the problems and reliability issues which would come with that ....

The other Jota has just 9500 miles on the clock apparently ........ and has had a " complete engine rebuild " ...... ( Jesus , here we go again ) ................ this time by a " respected marque specialist " ....... yeah ok , right ...........

Why all this " rebuild " business on bikes with such miniscule mileages ? ......

I would say it`s because they`ve been stood doing nothing for so long , it was deemed necessary , probably going hand in hand with a cosmetic makeover .......... which is fair enough I suppose .........

For all the reasons above , I think I would avoid purchasing either of them .......... or at least be prepared for the possibility of spending another few thousand on top of the fifteen grand asking price , to address any possible problems .

Of course they might be fine , reliable bikes which you could jump on and ride to the south of France and back tomorrow , and at fifteen grand that`s what you would expect .......... if you`re the sort of person who puts all your trust in the Sale Of Goods Act .........

It all depends what you want or expect from your Jota ...... and how much cash you are prepared to part with , and how much more you may possibly have to spend on top of that ..........

Whatever you end up with , be prepared for the possibility of extra expense and time spent on problem solving ............ and once you`ve got it running properly , coming to terms with what is really a two wheel version of a hard old bastard ... ( 1976/7 black framed 180 degree Jotas only ) ........


PS ......... Whichever bike you buy , and in whatever condition ......... you really do need to be prepared to do as much of any remedial work you can yourself ............ present as little as you can to any expert or specialist for sorting out ........... for example , if any engine or gearbox work needs to be done , then strip the bike down to the minimum engine / rolling chassis .......... removing tank , seat , carbs , lights , exhausts , electrics etc will save you being charged labour for removal ( and replacement ) of all this stuff , which you can easily do yourself .

If however , it transpires that you need something like a new ignition set up , or carbs sorting , and you`re unable to do it yourself , then you`re going to be a bit stuffed , as that option won`t really be available ..........
 
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The term "completely rebuilt motor" does not mean anything. I have seen many bikes restored over the years where a rebuild means, the cases were split and bead blasted and all the rest of the parts cleaned and the motor put back together. Only parts replaced are usually the piston rings and the gaskets. The crank could have problems but no one checked it.

I rebuilt a 750 many years ago that had become a dealer parts bike when American Eagle went bust and nothing was available anymore. The odometer showed seven miles. It had a lot of corrosion on the cases and the oil in the motor had turned to some sort of yellow sludge that would not drain out. The motor looked brand new inside. So the only parts replaced were the gaskets and seals. Was this motor with seven miles rebuilt?
 
The term "completely rebuilt motor" does not mean anything. I have seen many bikes restored over the years where a rebuild means, the cases were split and bead blasted and all the rest of the parts cleaned and the motor put back together. Only parts replaced are usually the piston rings and the gaskets. The crank could have problems but no one checked it.

I rebuilt a 750 many years ago that had become a dealer parts bike when American Eagle went bust and nothing was available anymore. The odometer showed seven miles. It had a lot of corrosion on the cases and the oil in the motor had turned to some sort of yellow sludge that would not drain out. The motor looked brand new inside. So the only parts replaced were the gaskets and seals. Was this motor with seven miles rebuilt?

I would expect receipts and proof of any work done when it came to any claimed rebuild .......... I think one of those Jotas has that .

What would concern me is that the work was done ( hopefully by someone competent ) , but then the bike being left unused for another ten years or so .......... You see some bikes advertised as with " only 200 miles since rebuild " .......... why ? ....... avoid at all costs , I would say .

Likewise some 25 year old bike with zero miles still in it`s packing case ....... and someone pays thirty grand for a bike you could never ever start or ride ............
 
See a lot of older bikes of all sorts here with "just needs a bit of sorting to fix a carb/misfire problem", so why not fix it before selling and say it runs great.
 
Hi Wibble
There was one in one of the bike shops in Newcastle.I will check it out.
I am working on a 120 my mate bought new but found it too tall so beware if you are a short arse like me.

Stephen
 
My bike was fully rebuilt by an Imbasile just before I bought it 40 years ago. He had a full collection of receipts, including a rebuilt head. I did a quick glance. One month later, it started smoking badly and blowing oil out of the breather right in front of the rear tyre. I then really read that rebuilt head recept. What he called a rebuilt head was $30 for the replacement of inlet valve seals. $1500 later, I actually had a rebuilt head and a few other bits and bobs. And 2 months after that, I then had 2 new exhaust valves after they seized in the brand new but too-tight valve guides, which cost me another $400. That was the start of a few nightmare years fixing daid imbasiles incompetant work. Laverdas may be simple and tough engines, but in my experience, the experts who do great long-term work on them can be counted on 2 hands worldwide.
 
Thanks for the information so far. Yes...I did think of going to Willersey as I am south of Newbury and it would be a day out. Would I be tarred and feathered if I turned up on a non Laverda?

Beautiful...
Everyone is welcome at Willersey for the Jota celebration 😉 - in your quest for a Jota in UK I would join ILOC - bikes from members have generally got more history - the other thing is don’t rush - there are bikes that are being sold because owners are getting old and heavier bikes are more difficult to move around - I would want to see receipts for any work claimed to have been done as the people who can work
On them ( sucessfully ) are few and far between - there are also many Jota copies - a letter from Richard is a good thing - you can check the serial number in the Laverdamania . Net website - it’s not foolproof as it requires members to
Register them but you can see where the bike lies in terms of a group of models and the country
 
Without rambling too much...the story begins in 1980 ish. My friends were all riding Italian machinery, a Jota, a Ducati Darmah 900SS and a Guzzi Le Mans. I was parachuting. When that urge eventually wore off some 1000 plus jumps later I started biking. However the Japanese stuff was everywhere and my only Italian foray was for Ducati 888's..the SP4 and 5.

I currently have 5 bikes. I don't need and can't afford another. I'm retired and the wife likes me out of the house. I stop at a bikers cafe one day (posh one in Gillingham near Shaftesbury)...and see a 3C for sale. Whilst brooding it is sold. I return months later and the sale side has gone but the cafe now displays motorcycles. In front of me is an orange Jota. That cup of tea and exposure started the thought process.

I no longer tour but could with what I have. More and more rides are 1/2 day wanders involving food and tea. About ten days ago I am sitting at a coffee stop and an orange Jota rode past. Once again those synapses were stirred.

Would I turn down a good 3C? Probably not....but at this moment the Jota wins it. I also hope flares come back in.
 
Without rambling too much...the story begins in 1980 ish. My friends were all riding Italian machinery, a Jota, a Ducati Darmah 900SS and a Guzzi Le Mans. I was parachuting. When that urge eventually wore off some 1000 plus jumps later I started biking. However the Japanese stuff was everywhere and my only Italian foray was for Ducati 888's..the SP4 and 5.

I currently have 5 bikes. I don't need and can't afford another. I'm retired and the wife likes me out of the house. I stop at a bikers cafe one day (posh one in Gillingham near Shaftesbury)...and see a 3C for sale. Whilst brooding it is sold. I return months later and the sale side has gone but the cafe now displays motorcycles. In front of me is an orange Jota. That cup of tea and exposure started the thought process.

I no longer tour but could with what I have. More and more rides are 1/2 day wanders involving food and tea. About ten days ago I am sitting at a coffee stop and an orange Jota rode past. Once again those synapses were stirred.

Would I turn down a good 3C? Probably not....but at this moment the Jota wins it. I also hope flares come back in.
Makes perfect sense. There’s always a back-story to these decisions. Best of luck in finding your Jota! (But avoid orange, too predictable 😉.)
 
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Not advice aimed at prospective Laverda owners in particular , but generally relevant advice to anyone thinking of buying a 50 year old bike ..........

There are two Jotas on UK eBay at the moment , both at £15,000 .

One was rebuilt " by Richard Slater " , and has 3500 miles on the clock it seems ........ whether this three and a half thousand miles is all that has been covered since 1978 , or is the mileage since the rebuild isn`t made clear .........
The obvious question is , if this is the total mileage since new , then why on earth would it need an engine rebuild before it has barely been run in ? ........... ....... Unless it had been killed by being sat unused in someones " collection " for god knows how long , and needed this rebuild to bring it back to life again ......... or alternatively , if this is just the mileage covered since the Slater rebuild , then how long ago was this rebuild done ?

Either way , I would want to see some proof of recent mileage covered ....... otherwise you run the risk of buying someone else`s unused ornament , with all the problems and reliability issues which would come with that ....

The other Jota has just 9500 miles on the clock apparently ........ and has had a " complete engine rebuild " ...... ( Jesus , here we go again ) ................ this time by a " respected marque specialist " ....... yeah ok , right ...........

Why all this " rebuild " business on bikes with such miniscule mileages ? ......

I would say it`s because they`ve been stood doing nothing for so long , it was deemed necessary , probably going hand in hand with a cosmetic makeover .......... which is fair enough I suppose .........

For all the reasons above , I think I would avoid purchasing either of them .......... or at least be prepared for the possibility of spending another few thousand on top of the fifteen grand asking price , to address any possible problems .

Of course they might be fine , reliable bikes which you could jump on and ride to the south of France and back tomorrow , and at fifteen grand that`s what you would expect .......... if you`re the sort of person who puts all your trust in the Sale Of Goods Act .........

It all depends what you want or expect from your Jota ...... and how much cash you are prepared to part with , and how much more you may possibly have to spend on top of that ..........

Whatever you end up with , be prepared for the possibility of extra expense and time spent on problem solving ............ and once you`ve got it running properly , coming to terms with what is really a two wheel version of a hard old bastard ... ( 1976/7 black framed 180 degree Jotas only ) ........


PS ......... Whichever bike you buy , and in whatever condition ......... you really do need to be prepared to do as much of any remedial work you can yourself ............ present as little as you can to any expert or specialist for sorting out ........... for example , if any engine or gearbox work needs to be done , then strip the bike down to the minimum engine / rolling chassis .......... removing tank , seat , carbs , lights , exhausts , electrics etc will save you being charged labour for removal ( and replacement ) of all this stuff , which you can easily do yourself .

If however , it transpires that you need something like a new ignition set up , or carbs sorting , and you`re unable to do it yourself , then you`re going to be a bit stuffed , as that option won`t really be available ..........
Nicely summed up.
Completely "rebuilt by an expert" and shiny paint and chrome are there to attract the (prey) buyer.
£15 000 is above current market price and as you point out, expect to chuck a few more pounds at the machine.

Better to buy a known, regularly used bike, than a show room queen.
And expect anything that can happen to a machine half a century old and particularly in the UK, with no spares back to speak of.

Paul
 
Paul you don't like triples. Stop talking tripe.
You don't have an inkling of what I may like or not.
And since things need to be explained to you, my post didn't concern triples but was a complement to the previous post suggesting that a 3C may be just as suitable. An opinion I completely partake in.

If you were to devote but a fraction of the energy you pour into the prejudice and snide remarks which ooze from your comments, be it on this forum or on the ILOC one, we could read all about your rides and benefit from your no doubt vast experience of Laverda motorcycles, whatever their capacity or number of cylinders.

Paul
 
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Well, having bought a “nice” 180 Jota a couple years ago - it turned out not to be. After pouring many drinking vouchers into it to have a compete rebuild among other things - it is now a great bike - but wouldn’t add up what it cost.
 
Ditto
Well, having bought a “nice” 180 Jota a couple years ago - it turned out not to be. After pouring many drinking vouchers into it to have a compete rebuild among other things - it is now a great bike - but wouldn’t add up what it cost.
Ditto ,Rob!
 
You don't have an inkling of what I may like or not.
And since things need to be explained to you, my post didn't concern triples but was a complement to the previous post suggesting that a 3C may be just as suitable. An opinion I completely partake in.

If you were to devote but a fraction of the energy you pour into the prejudice and snide remarks which ooze from your comments, be it on this forum or on the ILOC one, we could read all about your rides and benefit from your no doubt vast experience of Laverda motorcycles, whatever their capacity or number of cylinders.

Paul
Love you too Paul.
 
Why a Jota? I much prefer a regular 3C.

The Jota is faster but for touring or a Sunday morning ride, the 3C is a better bike. Unless you ride with the tachometer up near the red line, you are never going to notice the extra 10 HP.

Yes you do big time notice it ! , try overtaking a car on a typical road if its doing 75, the 3C hasnt got the top end pull to get past as quickly as you want , to overtake at 75 you need a quick blast up to 85/90 to pass quickly and safely .
 
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My bike was fully rebuilt by an Imbasile just before I bought it 40 years ago. He had a full collection of receipts, including a rebuilt head. I did a quick glance. One month later, it started smoking badly and blowing oil out of the breather right in front of the rear tyre. I then really read that rebuilt head recept. What he called a rebuilt head was $30 for the replacement of inlet valve seals. $1500 later, I actually had a rebuilt head and a few other bits and bobs. And 2 months after that, I then had 2 new exhaust valves after they seized in the brand new but too-tight valve guides, which cost me another $400. That was the start of a few nightmare years fixing daid imbasiles incompetant work. Laverdas may be simple and tough engines, but in my experience, the experts who do great long-term work on them can be counted on 2 hands worldwide.
Just because someone has a "name" in the biz, it doesnt mean they didnt screw it up
 
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