wanted - moto giro bike

Hi Andre thanks for the link. Pretty much what I am rebuilding. Mine is a 1957 Sport. Looking at asking prices, it seems asking prices are somewhere around 5,000 Euro, which for me converts to around $7,100 Canadian. I am going to have spent more than that before I am finished with my build, not taking into account any of my own time. As usual, I knew going in that this build will never make financial sense, but I am having great fun, again as usual, and I am building for my own purposes, not resale.

In the photos of the bike listed, there is a peculiar insert between the fuel tank and the seat, sort of a padded thing. I have seen similar in various other photos. Is that an Italian thing? Not to be crude but it looks like a crotch protector sort of thing?

Everyone else, thanks for all the comments on the wheels. I did see the "Akront style" flanged wheels from the the same vendor, valtermoto usa. They are exactly what I ordered in 18 inch for my now defunct Garelli rebuild and I still have the brand new "Akront style" 18 inch flanged set here. They appear to be of relatively low quality. When the wheelbuilder who was going to build the Garelli wheels looked at them at the time two years ago he was concerned about build quality, lack of roundness, and the join on each wheel.

This time around, as I can't find Morad rims in stock anywhere in the size and style required I have gone ahead and put in my order for the chromed steel Raedelli Aimon wheels from the eBay vendor. Both a positive and a negative that they are being made in Italy on the original historic machinery, hopefully the equipment is not too worn out, but they do have street cred as original Italian manufacture, not Chinese.....

For spokes, I have ordered the polished stainless steel spokes to be made by Central Wheel, three different lengths and two different bends. They are telling me a roughly three week production time, plus shipping. Great customer service/response so far from Central wheel. I emailed Buchanan's, Woody's, and Central Wheel the same day, have not even had responses yet from the two American companies.

I looked at the "real" Borrani rims, and decided against based primarily on much higher price. This bike has a maximum top speed of maybe 100 kph downhill with a tail wind. The further reality is it is costing almost as much to do a "proper" every nut/bolt/bearing/fresh chrome/fresh high end paint/bare frame/bare engine cases rebuild for this 150 as to do a similar rebuild on a Laverda triple, and the end value or possible regular useage of the 150 when finished is not comparable. In my riding environment the 150 is not viable as a regular rider, where a Laverda triple can be. The Raedelli rims are appropriate for the era and will be fine on the 150 when actual expected useage and overall cost of the build is taken into account.
 
I just sent it to show you some pictuctures of similar bikes to give you ideas how to built yours. Prices are not for comparison, when you refurbish yours you will not do it to safe money- it is for fun and Moto Giro
 
Yes Paul, it's to protect the goolies from the tank.

All this makes my son's € 700 Gilera 175 Rosso extra look like a bargain. He's picked up all the tinware and various bits to transform a track bike into it's former road going self for a few hundred € and a few weeks. Apparently, Gilera bikes and parts aren't selling for much in Italy.
Chrome will be done in Poland, painting has yet to be planned.
Now for the engine. It was stored by a good friend with a refurbished engine, so fingers crossed.

Paul
 
Akront hasn't existed for years, it was bought by Morad. So either that rim is NOS or a Morad.

Paul
Hopefully not NOS, Borrani motorcycle rims weren't exactly high-end at the time, at least not what was generally fitted to production bikes, mainly the "Record" type. Reinforced MX and auto rims may have been another story. Akront, and later Morad, were head and shoulders above Borrani in terms of roundness and finish. Best flanged rims I've come across were DID, as fitted to XS650 Yamahas, sadly, hardly available outside of Japan. German Behr, OE supplier to BMW, are also excellent, but not available flanged.

Radealli is at the lower end of the quality scale, their chromed steel rims rust quicker than you could ever imagine! Those fitted to my 200 are ripe for the scrap, although only being about 25 years old. Chrome started peeling about 20 years ago. Never seen alloy rims from them.

piet
 
Hi Piet

the Radelli are chromed steel, they are made in Italy, they are inexpensive, and they should do the job. Every bit and piece as I go has been a decision making process. I would rather have had Morad shouldered polished alloy rims from Central Wheel, but not available so made a decision and moving on.......

Paul Marx

where do I find a goolies protector to buy to fit the old Gilera? Have not seen any advertised for sale
 
Makes perfect sense to me. No point ending up with a 10k bike price-wise that doesn't have much purpose after the race event.
 
Yes Paul, it's to protect the goolies from the tank.

All this makes my son's € 700 Gilera 175 Rosso extra look like a bargain. He's picked up all the tinware and various bits to transform a track bike into it's former road going self for a few hundred € and a few weeks. Apparently, Gilera bikes and parts aren't selling for much in Italy.
Chrome will be done in Poland, painting has yet to be planned.
Now for the engine. It was stored by a good friend with a refurbished engine, so fingers crossed.

Paul
Hi Paul

it is the shipping and shipping delays from Italy to western Canada that is an issue and doubles/triples costs. There are several 50's Gilera 150 engines presently on eBay Italy cheap for example, but shipping costs are more than the cost of the used engines by a significant margin. Still considering just buying a complete head from Italy rather having to deal with sourcing valve guides/valves, and finding a local machine shop even willing to look at the project. Probelm is a used head from Italy may not be any better than I already have. The other problem is an annoying one. I have found several Italy based vendors with good prices for parts I need, and they just refuse to ship to Canada, bloody hell.

Then for acquistion costs, I paid $3,100 Canadian for the bike, which was reasonable enough in my own market and I spent my own money on a bike already here in Calgary, as they do not exist here and getting one from Italy to here would have been at least that much. Good on your son for his bargain, wish those were available here.....
 
Ha ha. It's actually called a ball protector (parapalle) by the supplier. The Italians aren't messing around with euphemisms. It's good to see that they're calling a spade a spade, rather than a hand-held earth excavation solution.

I find it simultaneously amusing and annoying that anything related to the anatomy or function of the nether regions of the human body have become taboo in normal language. For example, the word "toilet" seems to have disappeared from the English vocabulary. It's either a bathroom or rest room now. There's no bath tub or bed in there FFS. What's wrong with people? I try to keep sensible speech alive by calling things what they are, but I'm swimming against a tsunami of political correctness.
 
Ha ha. It's actually called a ball protector (parapalle) by the supplier. The Italians aren't messing around with euphemisms. It's good to see that they're calling a spade a spade, rather than a hand-held earth excavation solution.

I find it simultaneously amusing and annoying that anything related to the anatomy or function of the nether regions of the human body have become taboo in normal language. For example, the word "toilet" seems to have disappeared from the English vocabulary. It's either a bathroom or rest room now. There's no bath tub or bed in there FFS. What's wrong with people? I try to keep sensible speech alive by calling things what they are, but I'm swimming against a tsunami of political correctness.
I don’t think the word “toilet” really means what you’re using it for either 😁. “To clean” or similar I thought…
Euphemisms must go waaaay back
 
Ha ha. It's actually called a ball protector (parapalle) by the supplier. The Italians aren't messing around with euphemisms. It's good to see that they're calling a spade a spade, rather than a hand-held earth excavation solution.

I find it simultaneously amusing and annoying that anything related to the anatomy or function of the nether regions of the human body have become taboo in normal language. For example, the word "toilet" seems to have disappeared from the English vocabulary. It's either a bathroom or rest room now. There's no bath tub or bed in there FFS. What's wrong with people? I try to keep sensible speech alive by calling things what they are, but I'm swimming against a tsunami of political correctness.
That is very particular to the anglo-saxon world.
Unknown of where I live.
Look at the prudishness of Facebook. I got a beautiful male nude by Lucian Freud taken down with a warning that I'd be banned were I to start again, but you can post violence or racism without too many problems all in the name of freedom of speech, but no tits!

Paul
 
Actually a universal fit, they're all the same item.

Hope the fad doesn't catch on... the mind boggles, ball pads popping up on all manner of orange bikes! :oops:

piet
 
The shipping issue has become a real problem - I've had to fork out AU$450 for a steering lock mechanism for the Skoda from an Australian dealership that is 139 euro for the same genuine part in Europe/UK. But I can't wait the 6 weeks for it to arrive. Car is immobilised in the street with the windows stuck down because the key won't turn in the ignition barrel more than 30 degrees to the On or START position. And yes, I've confirmed that it isn't the key barrel - dismantled in 37 degree heat and assembly hacksawed in half to free up the key barrel so it could be turned to the ON position to enable removal of the barrel!! And I won't mention the shrouded thief proof M8s that VAG chose to mount it to the steering column with - I've hijacked this thread enough already!! Fukken cars ...
 
The shipping delay is only part of the issue. The Canada Customs/tax collectors delay. Then the actual cost of shipping has doubled and tripled and more. The heavier it is - like a small Gilera single motorcycle engine - the steeper the shipping cost.

Oddly some of the orders from Italy have arrived within three weeks I am still waiting for stuff from the UK ordered 5 weeks ago and stuff I ordered from the geographically connected and nearby USA over 6 bloody weeks ago. Some of the local retailers are taking advantage of having stock like your car part supplier and raising prices of what they have in stock.

On the topic of Italian ball protectors first time I saw those weird looking things was when I was researching small displacement 1959’s italian riddlers but I didn’t know what they were for. Do Italian balls need more protection on a motorcycle than other nationalities balls? How did this ever become a thing?
 
realized tonight I am at that stage of there project where I am waiting on - the painter, the chromer, the specialty welder fixing the broken engine case, the bearing supplier, the wheel rims, the spokes to be made by Central Wheel, Vape in Chechia to produce and ship the digital ignition/12 volt conversion, and various parts shipments from 5 other suppliers all in transit somewhere. I have also found a supplier for a pair of Gliera valves with guides and springs subject to acceptable pricing, then I have to find a local machinist willing to do the valve guide replacement etc., as well as the cylinder boring to requirements once the new piston and pin and rings arrive.

so, I am now about to start on sanding and polishing - engine primary/clutch cover, front and rear wheel hubs, front and rear brake castings, aluminum seat supports, clutch and brake levers, all to a high mirror polish. I will dig my 5 hp home built polishing rig out of storage. Sucker is dangerous. So much power it doesn't slow down and there is a risk of firing parts through the side wall of the garage if not handled with respect. I picked up all necessary sanding and polishing supplies on my way home from work today, from https://carzilla.ca/

Then the engine case halves, to be heavily sanded and then satin finished once i get the other case half back from the specialty welder. I picked up sand paper for wet hand sanding as well as sort of flap wheel type things in various grits for my big angle grinder to tackle the engine case halves. Worst case is if after all the engine case sanding I don't like the end result the case halves can go back for a final round of vapour blasting for final finishing if necessary. I think I will resist polishing the engine cases to a mirror finish despite my urge to piss off the purists......:ROFLMAO:;). Maybe the glare would distract my competitors in the Moto Giro and give me a small advantage? But fo now the plan is for a satin type finish for the engine case halves. I also have to plan a wiring harness for the bike, it came to me without provision for activation of a brake light and I want to upgrade the headlight and tail light to bloody bright,etc., but electrickery has never been my thing. I do have a brand new feshly made complete wirign harness to start with and modify, then there will be the wiring for the Vape ignitiona dn charging system, etc.

Hoping to be able to start the actual build maybe early to mid March depending on everything I am now waiting on coming to me by then, we'll see. The waiting is the part I don't like, I hate relying on other people....
 

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On the topic of Italian ball protectors first time I saw those weird looking things was when I was researching small displacement 1959’s italian riddlers but I didn’t know what they were for. Do Italian balls need more protection on a motorcycle than other nationalities balls? How did this ever become a thing?
It didn't become a big thing, it just follows the mythification of the past or how the West was won. Look at the period competition photos. No paraballe everywhere.

Paul
 
The shipping issue has become a real problem - I've had to fork out AU$450 for a steering lock mechanism for the Skoda from an Australian dealership that is 139 euro for the same genuine part in Europe/UK. But I can't wait the 6 weeks for it to arrive. Car is immobilised in the street with the windows stuck down because the key won't turn in the ignition barrel more than 30 degrees to the On or START position. And yes, I've confirmed that it isn't the key barrel - dismantled in 37 degree heat and assembly hacksawed in half to free up the key barrel so it could be turned to the ON position to enable removal of the barrel!! And I won't mention the shrouded thief proof M8s that VAG chose to mount it to the steering column with - I've hijacked this thread enough already!! Fukken cars ...
It would be good if we could learn to produce locally, again, and stop finding that it's quite normal to send consumer products from one part of our small planet to the other as fast as possible.
If only.

Paul
 
The shipping issue has become a real problem - I've had to fork out AU$450 for a steering lock mechanism for the Skoda from an Australian dealership that is 139 euro for the same genuine part in Europe/UK. But I can't wait the 6 weeks for it to arrive. Car is immobilised in the street with the windows stuck down because the key won't turn in the ignition barrel more than 30 degrees to the On or START position. And yes, I've confirmed that it isn't the key barrel - dismantled in 37 degree heat and assembly hacksawed in half to free up the key barrel so it could be turned to the ON position to enable removal of the barrel!! And I won't mention the shrouded thief proof M8s that VAG chose to mount it to the steering column with - I've hijacked this thread enough already!! Fukken cars ...

Okay, I’ll not mention a conversation I had recently with my boss, where I said to double the parts prices, on our Italian machine parts. We are the sole distributor, where else will they get them.
 
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