What did you do to or for or with your Laverda today?

Got home yesterday.
15 days away and 1500 km covered on the SF2. Not much riding since we stopped off a couple of times for visits using our feet and public transport.
Those 1500 are to be added to the 2000 km done for the Amicale 750 Laverda rally in May and the trip down to the Pyrenees coming in September.
That bikes does the equivalent of several trips to Breganze every year.
No problems apart from a rear puncture. The bike started with just a touch of the button yesterday after 48 hours parked under pouring rain.
Paul
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Ecclesiastical Glass can be spectacular, for the masses to enjoy, dedicated journeymen no question going back centuries. I find it overpowering at times... Vase is akin to Art Nouveau though may well be much older than late 19th Century.

Glass blowing, fabulous skill to have, well done nephew.

Did well Paul, trip and piccies alike. j
 
Ecclesiastical Glass can be spectacular, for the masses to enjoy, dedicated journeymen no question going back centuries. I find it overpowering at times... Vase is akin to Art Nouveau though may well be much older than late 19th Century.

Glass blowing, fabulous skill to have, well done nephew.

Did well Paul, trip and piccies alike. j
Glassware is Daum of Nancy. Turn of the century. The house is the villa Majorel in Nancy.
There was some Daum and Gallé pieces in my paternal grand father's house in Calais. The Germans occupied the house in 1940 and installed their HQ. Everything was stolen. The house next door was the Gestapo.
As for the stained glass, it's from Troyes, where there are plenty of churches with glass panels having survived a few wars.
The term stained glass is inappropriate since at first, the glass was coloured using metal oxydes mixed in with molten glass.
The photo posted is a later example, 16th century, since the glass was painted using silver salts for the yellow and ferrous oxides for the black and grey. Applied to the glass and baked on.
Here are a few more.
Paul
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Got TÜV for the drummer. It's a total breeze nowadays. Decades back the greycoats would make your life hell. Measure the distance between turn signals and the distance of the license plate to the ground and check for non certified air in the tires. Denied certification on a friends Guzzi V7 sport because the Borrani rims said "Cross" which means the spoke pattern but was proof to the inspector that they were illegally taken from a moto cross bike. Nowadays it's: "Oh, that is old. Is it original?" "Sure." "Okay. Do your lights work?" "Sure." "Is that a right shift pattern?" "Sure." "My hip is acting up, unfortunately I have to skip the test ride. here you go, Sir." "Thanks!"

Just to clear off some rumours:

Yes, there is more competition now that the monopoly of the TÜV (and DEKRA in the "new" states known as former GDR) has ended, but most of the "relaxing" of this bullshit regarding turn signal distances etc. comes from something different that many of you may have a hard time to believe it's possible: It was EU-regulation homologation! Rare thing, I know, but sometimes it means tougher standards in some countries, in others where the regulation has already been way tougher than anywhere else in the EU, it means a relief. And that caused these regulations to be gone.

This is not only good I must say... I had an Audi A6 years ago and was looking for some LED rear lights. There were some very nice looking ones with an E-number (so officially approved; but tested in Spain, not in Germany, though it was a german product... suspicious...) available that were widely discussed on a Motor-Talk-Forum. These had a big issue though: the LED's were mounted in a wrong angle, which caused them almost not to be visible even when on from behind the car. Now imagine, the car in front of you has such tail lights, the driver needs to brake and you don't see the brake lights going on. Fun, eh? Wonder how they got the approval...

There have always been TÜV tester who wanted to help and those that refused to do anything. Basically, it comes down to 3 reasons: not every TÜV-Tester is allowed to approve "specials" and those who are, are fully responsible for what they approve. That said, they also get tested by their own organisation with "under cover" experts, naturally just for quality assurance. Next point is: no-one can really know everything. That does not excuse the fundamental lack of knowledge I have experienced with some of these guys, however, you know your bikes better than anyone in the rest of the world. Some of these guys see their first Laverda, some have not even been born when your bike was produced. Do you know every detail of a 1953 German Triumph (TWN)? I don't and I restored my fathers... In Germany (and sure in other places, too), there are also different regulations, depending on when the bike/car has been first time on the road etc. etc. Years ago, the TÜV testers knew the bikes well and therefore also were very picky on what changes they accepted. The ones today are so young they accept these are historic machines and that they do not know anything about them, so you get away with a lot of modifications (unless they are really dangerous or not working properly.

@Jo My DEKRA-Tester told me that they are not allowed to test ride bikes with other shifting patterns than standard (left side, first down, rest up). This is to safe them from claims if something goes wrong. He asks me though to accelerate and brake with front and after that with rear brake to see if both are at least basically working... 😉

Finally: TÜV isn't all bad. In general, it makes our living and driving safer. They have indeed found serious issues on 2-3 occasions over the past 40 years that were really dangerous. If you think they are useless, take a look at the "TÜV Turkey" film... It reports what comes to the TÜV organisations in Turkey roughly 5 or so years after they have been implemented. No wonder the accident rate was twice as high as in the EU and mortality rate in traffic accidents in Turkey went down very quickly since implementation of regular TÜV inspections... ;)

So - overall, my recent experiences were really good with the local DEKRA station. They one guy there that can approve exceptions is really willing to help, but within the legal boundaries, which is absolutely OK for me. If you are not happy with yours, change the location. enough alternatives in short distance...
 
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Quickly reassembled the Jota into a running state, ready for a forlorn ride up to my store. It will return for an engine out event over the winter (losing valve clearance rapidly, but 'whilst I'm in there'...).
Now that it is out of the way, the SF gets onto the ramp with the hope of making it able to change gears and get along to the UK Willersey bash on the 4th Aug.
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Just to clear off some rumours:

Yes, there is more competition now that the monopoly of the TÜV (and DEKRA in the "new" states known as former GDR) has ended, but most of the "relaxing" of this bullshit regarding turn signal distances etc. comes from something different that many of you may have a hard time to believe it's possible: It was EU-regulation homologation! Rare thing, I know, but sometimes it means tougher standards in some countries, in others where the regulation has already been way tougher than anywhere else in the EU, it means a relief. And that caused these regulations to be gone.

This is not only good I must say... I had an Audi A6 years ago and was looking for some LED rear lights. There were some very nice looking ones with an E-number (so officially approved; but tested in Spain, not in Germany, though it was a german product... suspicious...) available that were widely discussed on a Motor-Talk-Forum. These had a big issue though: the LED's were mounted in a wrong angle, which caused them almost not to be visible even when on from behind the car. Now imagine, the car in front of you has such tail lights, the driver needs to brake and you don't see the brake lights going on. Fun, eh? Wonder how they got the approval...

There have always been TÜV tester who wanted to help and those that refused to do anything. Basically, it comes down to 3 reasons: not every TÜV-Tester is allowed to approve "specials" and those who are, are fully responsible for what they approve. That said, they also get tested by their own organisation with "under cover" experts, naturally just for quality assurance. Next point is: no-one can really know everything. That does not excuse the fundamental lack of knowledge I have experienced with some of these guys, however, you know your bikes better than anyone in the rest of the world. Some of these guys see their first Laverda, some have not even been born when your bike was produced. Do you know every detail of a 1953 German Triumph (TWN)? I don't and I restored my fathers... In Germany (and sure in other places, too), there are also different regulations, depending on when the bike/car has been first time on the road etc. etc. Years ago, the TÜV testers knew the bikes well and therefore also were very picky on what changes they accepted. The ones today are so young they accept these are historic machines and that they do not know anything about them, so you get away with a lot of modifications (unless they are really dangerous or not working properly.

@Jo My DEKRA-Tester told me that they are not allowed to test ride bikes with other shifting patterns than standard (left side, first down, rest up). This is to safe them from claims if something goes wrong. He asks me though to accelerate and brake with front and after that with rear brake to see if both are at least basically working... 😉

Finally: TÜV isn't all bad. In general, it makes our living and driving safer. They have indeed found serious issues on 2-3 occasions over the past 40 years that were really dangerous. If you think they are useless, take a look at the "TÜV Turkey" film... It reports what comes to the TÜV organisations in Turkey roughly 5 or so years after they have been implemented. No wonder the accident rate was twice as high as in the EU and mortality rate in traffic accidents in Turkey went down very quickly since implementation of regular TÜV inspections... ;)

So - overall, my recent experiences were really good with the local DEKRA station. They one guy there that can approve exceptions is really willing to help, but within the legal boundaries, which is absolutely OK for me. If you are not happy with yours, change the location. enough alternatives in short distance...
The accident rate in Turkey is due to …having one arm around chubby girl from Manchester whilst texting with other & steering with knees, non existent lane control ,playing snake charming music too loud, three up on a scooter carrying 120 litres of bottled water, wearing skateboard crash helmets and flip flops and rear view mirrors obscured by at least 3 “ evel eyes” and a hoola-hoola dancing doll.
If the whole of Turkey was driving brand new Mercs they’d still drive them off cliffs like lemmings.
Which reminds me..I’m going in September!😂
 
Just to clear off some rumours:

Yes, there is more competition now that the monopoly of the TÜV (and DEKRA in the "new" states known as former GDR) has ended, but most of the "relaxing" of this bullshit regarding turn signal distances etc. comes from something different that many of you may have a hard time to believe it's possible: It was EU-regulation homologation! Rare thing, I know, but sometimes it means tougher standards in some countries, in others where the regulation has already been way tougher than anywhere else in the EU, it means a relief. And that caused these regulations to be gone.

This is not only good I must say... I had an Audi A6 years ago and was looking for some LED rear lights. There were some very nice looking ones with an E-number (so officially approved; but tested in Spain, not in Germany, though it was a german product... suspicious...) available that were widely discussed on a Motor-Talk-Forum. These had a big issue though: the LED's were mounted in a wrong angle, which caused them almost not to be visible even when on from behind the car. Now imagine, the car in front of you has such tail lights, the driver needs to brake and you don't see the brake lights going on. Fun, eh? Wonder how they got the approval...

There have always been TÜV tester who wanted to help and those that refused to do anything. Basically, it comes down to 3 reasons: not every TÜV-Tester is allowed to approve "specials" and those who are, are fully responsible for what they approve. That said, they also get tested by their own organisation with "under cover" experts, naturally just for quality assurance. Next point is: no-one can really know everything. That does not excuse the fundamental lack of knowledge I have experienced with some of these guys, however, you know your bikes better than anyone in the rest of the world. Some of these guys see their first Laverda, some have not even been born when your bike was produced. Do you know every detail of a 1953 German Triumph (TWN)? I don't and I restored my fathers... In Germany (and sure in other places, too), there are also different regulations, depending on when the bike/car has been first time on the road etc. etc. Years ago, the TÜV testers knew the bikes well and therefore also were very picky on what changes they accepted. The ones today are so young they accept these are historic machines and that they do not know anything about them, so you get away with a lot of modifications (unless they are really dangerous or not working properly.

@Jo My DEKRA-Tester told me that they are not allowed to test ride bikes with other shifting patterns than standard (left side, first down, rest up). This is to safe them from claims if something goes wrong. He asks me though to accelerate and brake with front and after that with rear brake to see if both are at least basically working... 😉

Finally: TÜV isn't all bad. In general, it makes our living and driving safer. They have indeed found serious issues on 2-3 occasions over the past 40 years that were really dangerous. If you think they are useless, take a look at the "TÜV Turkey" film... It reports what comes to the TÜV organisations in Turkey roughly 5 or so years after they have been implemented. No wonder the accident rate was twice as high as in the EU and mortality rate in traffic accidents in Turkey went down very quickly since implementation of regular TÜV inspections... ;)

So - overall, my recent experiences were really good with the local DEKRA station. They one guy there that can approve exceptions is really willing to help, but within the legal boundaries, which is absolutely OK for me. If you are not happy with yours, change the location. enough alternatives in short distance...
Testing for Safety can only be good. Testing to see if it’s ‘different’ to original is a bureaucratic nightmare in the making.
The DVLA in the UK is currently ‘consulting’ on ‘historic vehicles’. This could go two or three ways. Hopefully, it won’t go the way of some other jurisdictions that severely restricts modifying your ‘historic vehicle’ and/or the use of it!
 
Glassware is Daum of Nancy. Turn of the century. The house is the villa Majorel in Nancy.
There was some Daum and Gallé pieces in my paternal grand father's house in Calais. The Germans occupied the house in 1940 and installed their HQ. Everything was stolen. The house next door was the Gestapo.
As for the stained glass, it's from Troyes, where there are plenty of churches with glass panels having survived a few wars.
The term stained glass is inappropriate since at first, the glass was coloured using metal oxydes mixed in with molten glass.
The photo posted is a later example, 16th century, since the glass was painted using silver salts for the yellow and ferrous oxides for the black and grey. Applied to the glass and baked on.
Here are a few more.
Paul
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Lovely, thanks Paul 👍
 
Testing for Safety can only be good. Testing to see if it’s ‘different’ to original is a bureaucratic nightmare in the making.
The DVLA in the UK is currently ‘consulting’ on ‘historic vehicles’. This could go two or three ways. Hopefully, it won’t go the way of some other jurisdictions that severely restricts modifying your ‘historic vehicle’ and/or the use of it!

Hi Andy, "different to original" is a very, very wide space and can range from a 1:1 copy to an asian look-alike product... Some (well, moste, moste propably) people do not have the according knowledge to differentiate one from the other or understand the impact of using that part (see the example with the LED- rear lights; they look very much the same, fit, material OK, but you can not see if the car in front is actually braking or not... VERY dangerous... imagine you ride your bike behind them and they start braking... can kill you easily!!!).

Same goes for the example used from Jo: unless there is proof the rims are having the same or better strength than the original ones, it could be made for very light 125 or even 50 ccm bike and not being made for usage at speeds of +150km/h or for the 400 kilos your 750/1000may weight with two up and luggage (or me and luggage... :oops::ROFLMAO:).

The list of changes on my bikes is endless, not all of them were made with the right material in the first place and did not last long enough. Fortunately, they did not break all of a sudden so I could replace them with stronger items on the way. Not everything is TÜV-relevant, too. I have dashboard and brake master brakets that the TÜV did not even care to look at... But if you increase the power of the bike by 50% like I did, it makes sense to use better brakes, better suspension and better tires/rims. This is all for my own and for others safety. No-one cares though if you change the rubber grips on your handle-bars, use different switches or instruments, as long as they work... You can change things on cars/bikes as much as you want as long as it is either tested or not safety relevant. Makes sense?
 
Not my Laverda but I was having lunch in the piazza in Breganze and as I was finishing up I saw a couple walking away from the cafe with bike gear . Didn’t pay much attention as there’s always bikes in and around the square. Anyway paid my bill and wandered out and I could see now that some cars had left that there was an orange tank sitting on the ground so being a nosey bugger wandered up to find a swedish couple having a fuel issue with there 75 triple. After much stuffing around I said look let’s get it running as good as we can and then follow me down to Ricardo Oros place and we’ll get him to look at it. Turns out it had a small split in one of the fuel lines so fixed with a new bit of hose. So waved them goodbye and got back home and just knocked the top off a stubbie of Leffe blonde, fuck life’s good 👍👍
Tom
 
Not my Laverda but I was having lunch in the piazza in Breganze and as I was finishing up I saw a couple walking away from the cafe with bike gear . Didn’t pay much attention as there’s always bikes in and around the square. Anyway paid my bill and wandered out and I could see now that some cars had left that there was an orange tank sitting on the ground so being a nosey bugger wandered up to find a swedish couple having a fuel issue with there 75 triple. After much stuffing around I said look let’s get it running as good as we can and then follow me down to Ricardo Oros place and we’ll get him to look at it. Turns out it had a small split in one of the fuel lines so fixed with a new bit of hose. So waved them goodbye and got back home and just knocked the top off a stubbie of Leffe blonde, fuck life’s good 👍👍
Tom
Leffe in Breganze?
Drink wine in Breganze.
Go to Belgium and drink the world's best beers, not Leffe though.
:)
Paul
 
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