Laverdalothar
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Don't believe russian propaganda, please... No coal power plant in Germany has been re-opened other than to bridge potential gas supply issues in the beginning of the Ukraine war in 2022, in fact, we are closing more and more. We have been 69% on green power last year, with zero own nuclear energy and an import of 0,5% of our consumption from France's Nuclear plants, simply because it was cheaper. Why is that? Because the Energy company goes into massive depth that is covered by the french government => the french people pay for it not with official energy cost but with their tax money. Great, eh? Same will happen with Hinkley point and any other Nuclear plant. There is not ONE Nuclear plant in Europe built in the past 10 years that runs cost effective or has matched their cost estimates when planned. The rest of the imports were green power in Germany btw. we imported from Skandinavia, where countries run not only on 100% green energy but have enough to even sell it to us... so - not possible to run 100% green? The Skandinavians must be really stupid... But then, they also have 100% of new cars being EV's, they run heat pumps in 80% of the private house holds since years (where we fight for our conventional, gas operating systems...) and so on. Statistics show, that quality of live and satisfaction is the highest in Skandinavia. But maybe there is no correlation, for sure it is just because of their Saunas...
What the current German government (with Mrs. Reichel, who comes from the gas energy industry, but she is not a lobbyist, nooo.......) is planning is twice as many gas power plants (did I say she is not a lobbyist? She isn't, I am pretty sure... maybe...) as the former government under Robert Habeck. Not only has this plan been destroyed and refused by the EU as it moves us further away from the zero emission target in 2045 and makes no sense in that regard, it is also absolutely not necessary, as the power distribution has been build up and finalized under the last government so that wide parts of southern Germany have now energy coming from the wind mills in the northern sea... As said, we do not have a production capacity problem, we have storage and distribution problem. Once these two are fixed, we can come close to 100% green energy with dramatically lower cost! Especially, as the Energy cost for the industry needs to be around 6 Cent. If we go Nuclear, we would have to cover roughly 8 - 14 Cent at least with tax payers money. If we go wind energy, that is only 2 cent. A little difference, right?
Nuclear plants are useless from my point of view. For peaks, you can't use them, in Summer you might have to switch them off (see France), as a reserve they are also useless as a) they cost to much and b) you can not start and stop them like other power plants (Gas f.e.). If a gas power plant blowes up, you have a damage locally of maybe 3-5 Kilometers with some broken windows. If a nuclear plant blows up (Tschernobyl, Fokoshima, etc. etc. etc.), this is affecting thousands of square kilometers, it crosses boarders easily and poisens millions of people. Think also of a war situation... One conventional bomb into Hinkley point and UK is poisened for decades. you would have to import ANY food for the next 30+ years. Making you independent? Well...
And it is funny to think that a nuclear power plant would make you independent even in peace times... as Russia in most cases delivers the material... The reason Putin dared to invade Ukrain was because he counted on us beeing to dependent on him. He said in an Interview: "Europe can do nothing against Russia. They need our oil and gas, as what would they heat their houses with if not with our oil and gas? With wood? Well - where do they get it if not from russian forrests?" Same goes for Urane...
Oh - and if you think a swimming pool full of radio active material isn't something bad: take a swim in that pool, please... I kilo is enough to poison ground water supply for thousands of years. If you think this is all safe, my answer is: mankind has managed to fuck ANYTHING up that they thought would be safe. Not dangerous? Mmmhh... I have my doubts, sorry... The workers in Tschernobyl and also Fokushima were told that it is safe. Not many of them are still alive. Tschernobyl happend in the 80's. You still can't go there for longer than 30 Minutes without endangering your health seriously. Safe sounds different to me, to be honest. And please don't tell me that this was a different type of reactor, ours are mutch safer. That is what they told the people there, too, for decades...
It is funny that the local minister of Bavaria, Mr. Soeder, claimed, that the local nuclear plants could be "easily brought back online" before the election, right after the election, there is no talking about anymore... Even worse: he wanted the "NEXIT" (Nuclear Exit) in 2015/2016 and was proud to support this law, last year he wanted the nuclear plants back (during the election process, just to make the last government look bad and knowing this is bullshit...) and now he states that they never will go back to nuclear plants in Bavaria. Oh - and he never wanted to have the waste anywhere in Bavaria! But then he wants also fracking, but not in Bavaria...
Politicians only tell us what is best for THEM, not what is good for us...
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