Bike ban in Germany on Sundays

I must admit to being slightly self-conscious yesterday evening when I took one of the F500s out for a short ride, as it has no baffling at all in the exhaust and makes a ?normal? Monty system sound quiet by comparison. And as noise is often equated to speed by those that object to anything faster or louder than an old milk float so, given the current pain in the arse 40mph speed limit, I?m sure some folks will have been thinking I must have been breaking the speed limit.
 
Tippie said:
"I have dave mintons notes on how to make a system for the 750 twins. His calculations were based on porshes calculations dia of pipe length and shape or exhaust pipe really good and very interesting.
  Regards Andy 😁"
Put them up in a new post. It will be interesting.
will see if I can scan and attach it, may take some time as I'm a luddite. Regards Andy 😁
 
I can understand that people living at or close to roads that frequently get used by loud motor bikes really hate bikes and their owners. I would, if I would live there.

However, I think it is a difference if you have a loud bike and ride it at around 3.000 revs. or if you have a bike that counts as legal noise wise but is ridden at 9.000 or above.

The loudest bike in my garage currently is a 1953 German Triumph (BDG 250 H). But when I ride it, everyone I pass simply smiles, no matter if its a youngster or an old fart, a lady or a man or what ever.
 
Yep had a dick with a load exhaust all though lock down , pain in the arse went out and baseball batted the twat in the end , knob ead , law is brought in due to complaints or deaths , and there you have it more dicks on bikes equates to more draconion laws for  motorcyclists , and theres alot of dicks ,
 
Laverdalothar said:
I can understand that people living at or close to roads that frequently get used by loud motor bikes really hate bikes and their owners. I would, if I would live there.

However, I think it is a difference if you have a loud bike and ride it at around 3.000 revs. or if you have a bike that counts as legal noise wise but is ridden at 9.000 or above.

The loudest bike in my garage currently is a 1953 German Triumph (BDG 250 H). But when I ride it, everyone I pass simply smiles, no matter if its a youngster or an old fart, a lady or a man or what ever.

At what age according to you does one become a fart?
As far as I'm concerned, most are born as farts and ripen with the passing of time.

So please refer in the future to farts without mention of age.

Paul
 
Most of The dicks on bikes are old farts, young kids can't be bothered to get there licence or pay the extortionate insurance's fee's.
I don't like jet's or helicopters over my house but i have to live with it.
Its  a sign of the times when the little man gets a kicking all the time and the corporate noise is OK, think the word is Dictatorship.
Regards Andy 😁
 
what is a German Triumph Lothar?
I am aware the Triumph (UK) was started in the early part of the 20th century by an ex Pat German, but do please enlighten me.
CLEM
 
In Holland there are also discussions about closing twisty dike roads for motorcycles during weekends. A few of them already are. Because of the noise. I don't understand. We are talking about a few weekends with good weather. I live a few kilometers north from Amsterdam. Everyday I hear traffic going to and from our capital. Lorries, cars and motorcycles. Trains every 10 minutes. And when the wind is right, plains from Schiphol every 5 minutes. And that the whole year long. What are these people complaining about?
 
HansL said:
What are these people complaining about?

Something that 'government' can do something about because it won't cost the politicians anything.
As opposed to the countless, more important problems, the fixing of which might get them thrown off their own personal gravy train
 
CLEMTOG said:
what is a German Triumph Lothar?
I am aware the Triumph (UK) was started in the early part of the 20th century by an ex Pat German, but do please enlighten me.
CLEM

Triumph was originally started by a German guy in UK. Later on, he founded the TWN, Triumph Werke N?rnberg while N?rnberg was his place of birth. more information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_(TWN)

The models significantly differt between UK and Germany and production in Germany ended 1957. The bike my father owns is the same model he owned when he was 18 years old as his daily ride for getting him to work in 1955. He owned it with a side-car in the same marone brown/dark red/brown as the bike itself and he took his sister on it to school and later on to her workplace, too, every morning, ice or snow, rain or sun.

for his 50th birthday 33 years ago, my brother organized a special day with a friend of him who owned several old bikes and our dad was asked if he wanted to ride a BMW with a sidecar, which he agreed on right away. after a while, my brother asked him: "Dad, did you see it?" - Dad was: "what?"  Brother: "This" and pulled a cover off of the 250 BDG H. My father almost got a stroke... He jumped on the bike and took a tour around, smiling like a child...

5 years later, the bike was for sale and my mother and we bought it for our dad. He owns it now for 28 years. Unfortunately, it always caused issues and wasn't very reliable, which I now try to fix.
 
Laverdalothar said:
Triumph was originally started by a German guy in UK. Later on, he founded the TWN, Triumph Werke N?rnberg while N?rnberg was his place of birth. more information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_(TWN)

The models significantly differt between UK and Germany and production in Germany ended 1957. The bike my father owns is the same model he owned when he was 18 years old as his daily ride for getting him to work in 1955. He owned it with a side-car in the same marone brown/dark red/brown as the bike itself and he took his sister on it to school and later on to her workplace, too, every morning, ice or snow, rain or sun.

for his 50th birthday 33 years ago, my brother organized a special day with a friend of him who owned several old bikes and our dad was asked if he wanted to ride a BMW with a sidecar, which he agreed on right away. after a while, my brother asked him: "Dad, did you see it?" - Dad was: "what?"  Brother: "This" and pulled a cover off of the 250 BDG H. My father almost got a stroke... He jumped on the bike and took a tour around, smiling like a child...

5 years later, the bike was for sale and my mother and we bought it for our dad. He owns it now for 28 years. Unfortunately, it always caused issues and wasn't very reliable, which I now try to fix.

The founder of Triumph motorcycles UK and later TWN, Siegfried Bettman, was a jew. It may well explain why he left Germany and never went back, even though he did found TWN.

He was mayor of Coventry until his German citizenship ousted him from the position in 1914.

Paul
 
laverdas said:
Most of The dicks on bikes are old farts, young kids can't be bothered to get there licence or pay the extortionate insurance's fee's.
Regards Andy 😁

I have seen a higher-than-normal number of L plated bikes over the last week or so. I wonder if the lock down and the financial downturn is turning youngsters onto 2 wheels? [None UK folk - L plates shown to show you are a new rider - Learner]
 
There is a huge sales surge of 125cm3 bikes with young riders, which is just fantastic, and a lot of models on offer. Being young they all want to have a loud exhaust (as has always been the case), it will take many years before they realise how fucked that is.
 
Tippie said:
There is a huge sales surge of 125cm3 bikes with young riders, which is just fantastic, and a lot of models on offer. Being young they all want to have a loud exhaust (as has always been the case), it will take many years before they realise how fucked that is.


same over here. My youngest is currently getting his license done. Not sure I like the idea he will be riding a motor bike though... he had a scooter and crashed it twice... I made sure at least he has all the right gearing to protect him. he is not the most concentrated driver, not sure what happens when he is on a bike...
 
...interesting articles in the Times yesterday by lady journalist.enthusing about her 125 motorbike  taking lessons etc..picture of her on the front page of the Times 2 section..all very positive and a nice change.
 
HansL said:
In Holland there are also discussions about closing twisty dike roads for motorcycles during weekends. A few of them already are. Because of the noise. I don't understand. We are talking about a few weekends with good weather. I live a few kilometers north from Amsterdam. Everyday I hear traffic going to and from our capital. Lorries, cars and motorcycles. Trains every 10 minutes. And when the wind is right, plains from Schiphol every 5 minutes. And that the whole year long. What are these people complaining about?

Much of everyday noise is unavoidable while living in large parts of the "civilised" western world.  Air traffic, public transport, road traffic, etc, etc.  Some arsehole tearing through my hamlet at 150+ km/h at 2am, making a fucking nuisance of himself, IS avoidable.  Multiply by about 500+/day and you just may be able to imagine what these people complain about.

I live in a very small hamlet on a road that is a favourite amoung bikers.  About 8000 vehicles on average pass my house every day, the living room window is 1 metre from the road side.  When I moved there, I was well aware that I'd have to put up with a certain amount of traffic, that was about 3000 vehicles/day back then.  Of those 8000/day presently, about 30% adhere to the posted limit, cars definitely more so than bikes, the remainder are definitely faster, and therefore, loud.  On weekends, traffic is split about 40% motorcycles, 60% cars.  On a nice sunny day, I can have as many as 100 bikes passing per hour, mostly ridden by twats with some sort of inferiority complex.  I invite you to come by, we could try to discuss this noise thing over a beer or 3, but I bet you'd give up after half an hour.  Sitting outdoors in pleasant weather simply isn't possible any more.  My property is also close to the flight corridor to Cologne/Bonn International.  I can assure you, low-flying planes are nowhere near as intrusive as a R1 at 12000 in 3rd gear or a Lav triple with Jota cans under full acceleration... or a Porsche GT3, Ferrari F-something or whatever, for that matter.

You seem to think you have the right to make as much noise as you like/can.  Don't the people living on the dikes have a certain right to a bit of regard?  It's not just you that disrupts their peace and quiet, there's a couple of hundred of others doing the same, all fucking day long, every time the sun's shining.  I'm quite sure the dike inhabitants would also like to sit in the garden, having a BBQ and a beer while enjoying the sunshine (it's only a couple of weekends for them too).  Not very pleasant though, having the noise backdrop of Assen on SBK weekend, ALL bloody weekend, and longer. 

Personally, I cannot understand the obsession some have with creating unnecessary noise with their bikes.  My bikes do not all comply to current approval regulations, but I try my utmost not to make a nuisance of myself by riding faster than allowed or at higher revs than necessary.  I'm no angel, I don't have the slightest problem with exceeding speed limits outside residential areas, but as soon as a dwelling of any sort comes into view, I will back off immediately and usually trundle through villages quite a bit slower than the posted limits.  I still often see little kids holding ther ears in fear as I approach, but often glimpse a smile when they realise my noise isn't going to hurt them.  The sight of such kids ties my stomach in knots and hammers home the fact that they have learnt to expect the worst.

Riding around on motorcycles, just for the joy of it, should be regarded as a privilege, not a right.  And, as such, should be exercised with a certain amount of common-sense and respect towards others.  Unfortunately, this is very sadly-lacking amoungst a very large part of the biking community.  German bikers have had plenty of warnings in the past, that certain municipalities are now banning bikes from certain roads on Sundays and public holidays is simply the consequence of not heeding the pleas from the authorities, of which there have been more than enough!.

I would ask you to keep in mind that excessive noise can cause psychic illness, sleeplessness and more.  Would you like others to do that to you?

Rant over,
piet
 
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