Paul LeClair new project and 1982 Mirage 1200 TS Series 2 FOR SALE

Considering what Kleindorf has experienced, can it be expected that any Laverda is easily sellable in Canada? Jota stickers on the side covers might just do the trick. Finding the buyer seems harder than doing the refurb.
 
Hi Paul

Is that the Jota that was listed on Robin's classic Motorcycles a while back?

Jim
Hi Jim

I don't know for sure but I doubt it. I didn't see that ad. This bike is with a long term friend, that I just happened to run into, I doubt it has been advertised anywhere. If you are interested in it, and if I don't buy it, I can put you in touch. He is not likely to ever get it running again, he just likes to have it....... and he owned a 1200 TS Mirage "back in the day" and likes the thought of having a really nice one that is sorted and runs.

the real truth is that from my perspective as someone who actually rides these bikes my 1200 is a much nicer bike all around than any Jota for my purposes.

when I was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer with a grim prognosis I started selling stuff as part of rationalizing my life and "getting my affairs in order" for my spouse. Now that it seems to appear so far after major surgery I may be in the lucky few percent who actually survive, and hopefully thrive, I am back in projects mode but there is now this little voice in the back of my head that seems to be causing me to question things I would have just jumped into with both feet before the cancer diagnosis. Having thought it over, I am not seeing equal value between my gorgeous fully sorted bike and a needy non runner, I guess, so I may just stay on the hunt for the next project..

I sold my modified 2018 Kawasaki H2 SX SE recently. At the moment I am seriously considering further building up and turbo charging my ZX14 to 400 hp and am well into the research and parts shopping. From a performance value perspective taking the ZX 14 to 400 hp would likely cost about the same in time and money as building up the non running Jota presently on offer......:ROFLMAO::eek::rolleyes:;)
 
"the real truth is that from my perspective as someone who actually rides these bikes my 1200 is a much nicer bike all around than any Jota for my purposes."
I couldn't agree more! The 1200cc triples are the best option if you want a bike that is rewarding and easy to live with. I suspect that those who disparage them have never ridden one. Folks criticize the look of the 1200TS models, but they are such a joy to ride....
 
I’m pretty sure Dave Higgs’ Jota was a mid year 1980 model, small front fender, pre-futura fairing, low output alternator. Solid bike way back when. I remember at one of Wolfgang’s rallies, during a group photo of the bikes in his upper field, one of the bikes fell until the other bike, either Andy Higgs bike or Dave Higgs bike fell over banging into each other. I think Dave’s bike needed to buy a new silencer.
 
"the real truth is that from my perspective as someone who actually rides these bikes my 1200 is a much nicer bike all around than any Jota for my purposes."
I couldn't agree more! The 1200cc triples are the best option if you want a bike that is rewarding and easy to live with. I suspect that those who disparage them have never ridden one. Folks criticize the look of the 1200TS models, but they are such a joy to ride....
Yeah, I totally agree. I recently acquired a nice setup 78 1200, Mikuni carbs, Ignitech, and this bike really surprised me. It is such a pleasure to ride not as hard edges as a Jota, and less vibration too but has a lot more torque and useable power lower down. I really like it, a lot. Sorry, Paul not much help with your decision-making dilemma.
 
I’m pretty sure Dave Higgs’ Jota was a mid year 1980 model, small front fender, pre-futura fairing, low output alternator. Solid bike way back when. I remember at one of Wolfgang’s rallies, during a group photo of the bikes in his upper field, one of the bikes fell until the other bike, either Andy Higgs bike or Dave Higgs bike fell over banging into each other. I think Dave’s bike needed to buy a new silencer.
Hi Steve

I was there and remember that, bikes lined up in Wolfgang's field, stands sunk into the ground, and toppled over. I may even have some photos, I will have a look.

this non running bike here in Calgary is the one that Andy Higgs totally rebuilt, every nut, bolt and bearing. Steve Veltman and I helped Andy put it back together from the bare engine cases and bare frame way back when, then Andy had some sort of accident with it, broke his ankle etc., and as far as I know it has never really been back on the road much since. I actually have the squarish Jota fairing off it, I bought it from Andy all broken up, patched it back together, painted it silver, and fitted it to my 1200 for a time...... small world.

the other thing I seem to remember about the former Andy Higg's Jota is it was fitted with 36 mm carbs and the head was apparently heavily ported
 
Andy....Dave...? Its been quite awhile if both these guys were related and living in Marpole in
Vancouver. The Higgs I knew had a Jota and a Ducati Darmah SS. Pretty sure that was D. Higgs.
I even bought some repro tank stripes he had made up. In regards to Tippie's comment I thought
my explanation would be interpreted as hard to sell. I know Steve G. and I bet if he tried to sell his
RC30 at a fair market world price the local ethnics would display zero interest. The last bevel drive
Ducati I sold some years back ended up in Paris. Advertising locally was a waste of time so hello
international platforms.
 
Andy....Dave...? Its been quite awhile if both these guys were related and living in Marpole in
Vancouver. The Higgs I knew had a Jota and a Ducati Darmah SS. Pretty sure that was D. Higgs.
I even bought some repro tank stripes he had made up. In regards to Tippie's comment I thought
my explanation would be interpreted as hard to sell. I know Steve G. and I bet if he tried to sell his
RC30 at a fair market world price the local ethnics would display zero interest. The last bevel drive
Ducati I sold some years back ended up in Paris. Advertising locally was a waste of time so hello
international platforms.
Yup, Dave was in Marpole when he had the Jota, Ducati, and replica SFC. Not sure where he is now. Andy moved to Salt Spring.
Selling prices of collector bikes are traditionally less in Canada than anywhere else, IMO because Canada is full of really ‘thrifty spenders’. I’ve got 3 standing offers on the RC locally from serious Cdn bike collectors, fair world market offers. The recent eye watering Mecam auction results of a group of 900Z1 4 pipers were all from a Cdn owner who knows you often have to move bikes out of Canada, often with some level of hassle , to obtain normal market value.
There is a distinct price difference between certain bikes of similar build. For example everyone understands why a ‘69 ‘sand cast’ Honda is way more than a ‘70. There are many more examples. Hence the reason why a Jota even in post Slater trim will be more than most other ‘180’ bikes. The extremely high state of tune, and any personalization’s of a bike, even visually subtle are often not able to be taken into consideration in the asking price, most still base their purchase price on the base model status. Another example, putting $5000 into restoration of a Wes Cooley Suzuki GS1000 is a much safer bet of return on investment than say,,, $5000 restoration of a Suzuki 1200 Madura. Both 4 cylinder Suzukis, massively different base pedigree.
 
Yup, Dave was in Marpole when he had the Jota, Ducati, and replica SFC. Not sure where he is now. Andy moved to Salt Spring.
Selling prices of collector bikes are traditionally less in Canada than anywhere else, IMO because Canada is full of really ‘thrifty spenders’. I’ve got 3 standing offers on the RC locally from serious Cdn bike collectors, fair world market offers. The recent eye watering Mecam auction results of a group of 900Z1 4 pipers were all from a Cdn owner who knows you often have to move bikes out of Canada, often with some level of hassle , to obtain normal market value.
There is a distinct price difference between certain bikes of similar build. For example everyone understands why a ‘69 ‘sand cast’ Honda is way more than a ‘70. There are many more examples. Hence the reason why a Jota even in post Slater trim will be more than most other ‘180’ bikes. The extremely high state of tune, and any personalization’s of a bike, even visually subtle are often not able to be taken into consideration in the asking price, most still base their purchase price on the base model status. Another example, putting $5000 into restoration of a Wes Cooley Suzuki GS1000 is a much safer bet of return on investment than say,,, $5000 restoration of a Suzuki 1200 Madura. Both 4 cylinder Suzukis, massively different base pedigree.
I don't understand any of it.
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Paul....when is the last yime you sold a Laverda...your 750 SFC? None of it probably makes any financial sense given your location and the high degree of craftsmanship and "LOONIES" (term for the Canadian dollar for you non Canucks and maybe also a term for those who invest in Laverdas) that you put into your bikes.

So you may want to look at it as is it something you want to do or would you rather take up ball room dancing or macrame...o5 God forbid Pickle Ball?
 
Paul....when is the last yime you sold a Laverda...your 750 SFC? None of it probably makes any financial sense given your location and the high degree of craftsmanship and "LOONIES" (term for the Canadian dollar for you non Canucks and maybe also a term for those who invest in Laverdas) that you put into your bikes.

So you may want to look at it as is it something you want to do or would you rather take up ball room dancing or macrame...o5 God forbid Pickle Ball?
I've never sold a Laverda, only Ducatis and Hondas.
Correction, I sold my first Laverda, a 3CL, for the price of a night for two in a good hotel with an excellent restaurant. That bike was restored as a Jota and sold on. In the UK bien sur.

I still have the SFC and am contemplating again, selling it. To buy a Vincent twin for touring.

Paul
 
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