Building my Jota

So I have a question ...... as I really don't know much about 3D printing and such ...... is the purpose of 3D printing to make something cheap and easy to verify the dimensions by actually fitting it to the bike before getting the actual proper part machined?

I am fascinated with what I see but I am still quite unsure as to the what's and the why's.

Thank you.
Jim
 
So I have a question ...... as I really don't know much about 3D printing and such ...... is the purpose of 3D printing to make something cheap and easy to verify the dimensions by actually fitting it to the bike before getting the actual proper part machined?

I am fascinated with what I see but I am still quite unsure as to the what's and the why's.

Thank you.
Jim

I have small machine plastic parts made in the hundreds via 3D printing, and they work great.

Price from supplier (injection moulded) in Italy EU17.00 + shipping, price from 3D printer kid here in Australia converts to EU32 cents.
Shipping cost is a six pack of beer for printer kids father when he drops them off. Printer kids father and I drink the beers together, so the real shipping and manufacture cost is 3 beers and EU32.00 for the parts.

I'm told, that most of the parts in a cheap 3D printer can be made by a 3D printer.

Todd is utilizing this technology in two forms.
1: To ensure he plots it correctly, test fitting and aesthetics etc.
2: So that he has the design already mapped out and he can then send it off for CNC machining, saving heaps of CNC plotting time and cost.

But, as with my small parts, can be used in day to day production of parts used in in large factories.
 
This is my view as a complete layman. Over the years I watch a couple of tutorials shown on Jay Lenos Garage, there still there so do a search if you want, he has had a few over the years. Originally they would prototype bits to see they fitted as the medium wasn't very structural. But lately, they can print in lots of structural material. They make really complicated unobtanium-type bits for 100-year-old steam cars, anything you might think off. There is even one on the International Space Station. Amassing stuff.
 
This is my view as a complete layman. Over the years I watch a couple of tutorials shown on Jay Lenos Garage, there still there so do a search if you want, he has had a few over the years. Originally they would prototype bits to see they fitted as the medium wasn't very structural. But lately, they can print in lots of structural material. They make really complicated unobtanium-type bits for 100-year-old steam cars, anything you might think off. There is even one on the International Space Station. Amassing stuff.
yeah Vince is Spot on here , there are loads of print farms out there that print things in any material you want , from PLA, which is a good proto type material, just for aesthetics, and not structural items, to Nylon, Peek, Ultim, Brass, Titanium, Gold and Platinum.
If you can draw it, it can be printed. Its actually quite a lot of fun checking out the price of some of my designs in Gold... just in case any one wants me to fully bling something... Im not holding out for that.
 
I have small machine plastic parts made in the hundreds via 3D printing, and they work great.

Price from supplier (injection moulded) in Italy EU17.00 + shipping, price from 3D printer kid here in Australia converts to EU32 cents.
Shipping cost is a six pack of beer for printer kids father when he drops them off. Printer kids father and I drink the beers together, so the real shipping and manufacture cost is 3 beers and EU32.00 for the parts.

I'm told, that most of the parts in a cheap 3D printer can be made by a 3D printer.

Todd is utilizing this technology in two forms.
1: To ensure he plots it correctly, test fitting and aesthetics etc.
2: So that he has the design already mapped out and he can then send it off for CNC machining, saving heaps of CNC plotting time and cost.

But, as with my small parts, can be used in day to day production of parts used in in large factories.
Chris nailed it as to how I use the printer for my bike. I print parts that are mostly for my verification, before I spend the money on getting parts machined. Its still more cost effective to have things milled or CNC'd for the better part, unless you are printing metal parts of a great variety for building super cars, eg how the Bugatti guys print their mono block brake callipers amongst a ton of other parts for their cars. A friend of mine is a director at Hispano Suiza , they use 3 d printers a lot for their cars too. They are doing a run of 19 of one model of their cars, and a 3 d printer allows them to be in control of their manufacturing process, and also do small batches of parts, rather than having to sub contract out to another company, which is costly, and normally comes with a minimum purchase order, so while the 3 d printer is expensive, it still is cheaper for them making 19 cars, than having to purchase 3000 items from a contractor which would be parts for say 200 cars, far in excess than what they need, and a waste of money and materials . The other benefit, is there will always be spare parts available... need a new calliper.... print one off, so spare parts dont become a costly investment, and you dont have loads of callipers sitting on the shelf collecting dust.

I dont get to use my printer for me much, except on over night prints if the printer is idle or on weekends. Mine runs pretty busy, I average around 70 hours of print time a week. I produce a lot of end user ready parts, which would normally be obsolete if say I am making plastic parts for a 10 year old winch, which has been superseded, or for mechanisms on a 12 year old super yacht, where chance s are the build company has gone bust, and no one has parts or drawings for what was originally built. I saved a boat 1000's recently by replicating some of their bulwark door dog locks and printing them for them as their build company didnt exist and they were custom made parts. These I printed in Nylon 12.
I can print with carbon infused materials , kevlar infused, glass re in-forced, casting material to make castable moulds, poly carbonate... you name it. But my machine has limits, I cant print things like PEEK, Ultim and a few other technical engineering plastics , thats the next printer up from mine, and will be the next printer I get. My printer was just a side project to keep myself learning and interested at work, it pays for itself, and has taught me a lot, but certainly wont let me retire

so printers can be used for proto typing and end user final products. Yesterdays job was to print a part for a spinnaker retrieval drum, for a TP52 grand prix yacht, its printed in PLA to see if their idea will work, then if it does look like it will work we will either print it in nylon infused with carbon, or we will print a mould that they can make a carbon one from . Eventually for super yachts at least, I suspect each boat will have a industrial grade printer, and they will either purchase the rights to all their printable parts or pay per down load with a time sensitive file, and they will then be able to print things like impellers, seals , gaskets, door stops, what ever they need that is specific to their boat.

That doesn't mean machinists will disappear , that trade will never go away , not at least in the next 50 years
 
Before the current style of 3D printing there was something called stereolithography. You slowly fill a tank with a sort of resin and a laser 'writes' lines on the surface. Where it hits the resin, that cures and you get a plastic. Same principle: building up an object layer by layer. When your object is finished you drain the tank and hey presto.

Choices of resin were limited in the early 90's, as were colour etc, but we used it to make parts for prototypes that were not designed to be machined at all, like very complex injection moulded parts.
Some years ago I saw a new machine doing the same but with a bath that was slowly filled with metal powder, fusing it together with the laser. The produced part was just as good as a cast one.

At the moment 3D is still limited to one offs and small to medium series. As price levels will go down, 3D printing will become more main stream and feasible for larger series, up into full scale mass production. It all depends on material properties, lead times and final price per unit produced.
But the greatest bonus of 3D printing is: you can make shapes that were not possible before, giving new freedom to the designer and engineer to come up with new solutions.
Wonderful stuff.

Tom
 
Incredible technology. I'd always thought it would produce much weaker products and for that reason wouldn't be used to actually make a final part (eg a brake caliper). like the lower status of cast vs billet, I thought printed was next down from cast. Seems not!
 
Incredible technology. I'd always thought it would produce much weaker products and for that reason wouldn't be used to actually make a final part (eg a brake caliper). like the lower status of cast vs billet, I thought printed was next down from cast. Seems not!
yeah amazing huh, check out this video of them testing it, obviously hype and theatrical but still it show's you what can be done



the shape is so organic, it looks actually like Gaudi would have designed it
 
Here is the SLM machine printing it, there is quite a lot of post production work that goes in after the printing, but imagine the calliper and pads only weigh 2.9kg. Its quite exciting, and certainly it would be difficult to machine that . They also us AI ( artificial intelligence) to complement the human design, which means everything is optimised for weight reduction, only having material where you need it for strength

 
Fark me, that is insane! Extraordinary how they came up with that shape.

Just a reminder everyone, don't touch your rotors if you've just stopped after some long fast downhills with hairpins!!
 
It makes me smile when people say something looks Organic, to me that shows how Evolution pears things down to exactly what is required. And how often they look similar, and then we move to Mandelbrot set repeating in nature in so many ways. I am far from Religious but this stuff I find interesting.
 
It makes me smile when people say something looks Organic, to me that shows how Evolution pears things down to exactly what is required. And how often they look similar, and then we move to Mandelbrot set repeating in nature in so many ways. I am far from Religious but this stuff I find interesting.
Yeah. If you ever get to Barcelona, have a look at Gaudi’s Sagrada Familia. He took all of his shapes from nature too as he believed they were the strongest most reliable shapes.
 
Spiderweb silk, shark fluid dynamics, bird's wings etc etc - you name it, we're taking notice of just how well these things have developed in the loooong test bed of evo.
 
stereolithography

Would that be also called rapid protyping? Have a jist of how it works but know fuck all about it.
the brake callipers were final product, they would have been rapid prototyped, to get to the final stage. Then printed and used after post production, eg clean up, polishing and any machining of threads etc that may have been needed .
The great thing is you can proto type and make every day finished products, and it just opens another door to do things you couldn't before.
Im no engineer, I can hardly weld , I can use a file, but this sort of machinery has allowed me to do more than I ever thought I could
 
Spiderweb silk, shark fluid dynamics, bird's wings etc etc - you name it, we're taking notice of just how well these things have developed in the loooong test bed of evo.
Nature is amazing, its a pity people dont realise that and help her out a bit. Dyneema fibre that I use in my ropes I make for big yachts is like spider web silk, dyneema is 15x stronger than steel at the same weight, with a tensile strength up to 43 cN/dtex, its pretty amazing stuff
 
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