Building my Jota

[michipons]

Shout out to Miguel........This week Miguel (michipons) did a solid for me. As my blasting cabinet is at his house, and we aren't allowed to visit other peoples houses , due to covid restrictions here, I managed to get him some parts via the delivery guy when my F4 was delivered to me. ( another valentines gift from my dear wife) The same delivery guy was dropping off Miguels 1200 to him.
I wanted the head light bracket and the chain guard blasted, so the bike has the same overall appearance of Matt/Satin. Miguel was super kind enough to blast them and then went a step further and epoxy coated them. The finish was remarkable, in photo one, you can see the really nice sparkle the aluminium gets when its glass blasted , clearly that will attract grease and dirt if it is left like that, and as Miguel pointed out it could be coated, so he did. You can see the awesome chain guard House of D'art in Oz made me, its really aesthetically pleasing , so photo 2 is how I asked it to come, photo 3 is the blasted and coated finish, and check it out against the frame in the last photo.... its pretty damn close.

So thanks Miguel..... shout out to you mate.

Thanks Todd!
It was a pleassure!

 

[sideshow]

Finally something under my control, I feel like I finished something that I don’t need to touch anymore except for paint. This one has seen several changes. It fills in the space of the old battery tray floor. And holds the kill switch , and is the lid for the carbon electrics tray under it. This one is printed in a blend of nylon 6 and 6.6. Low shrink, water doesn’t effect it, it can be painted normally. It was. 33 hour print, and came out perfect. It’s thin in places but you can see in photo 1 the stiffening that I designed into it , to keep it light and strong. I just knew we wouldn’t get the sharp edges I wanted with carbon for this job. It will be painted the same colour as the frame. I printed it in black and once before in grey , so I could see what’s best, the wife agrees, demands, that it’s the same colour as the frame, I agree.
Having the lid done let me finalise lengths on cables and let me crimp them , so I got through a bit today. Hopefully tomorrow the rest of the wiring will be done, so I can test all the circuits and them later next week bundle them all into a cohesive loom.

with my exhaust I paid for seeming a lost cause I’m not sure what to do now. I don’t want a 3 into 2. I don’t want anything modern, and I seriously have the shits with waiting on people to supply something I pay for up front . Especially if they can’t deliver on the agreed time. So Far Red and Darty are pretty much the only ones who delivered on time, and that’s from half way round the world...... elevates their legend status as far as I am concerned. Oh and the tire shop, that was a 24 hour delivery !

Normally I’m pretty positive , but now having waited over 4 months for my exhaust , and even if it turns up, it won’t be what I agreed to order, I’m pretty over it.

 

[Dellortoman]

Hmm ... That business with your exhaust is very bad. I reckon the lesson to be learned there is to not pay up-front for stuff you're getting made.

I've had stuff made by various businesses and have never been asked for full payment when placing the order. Occasionally a deposit will be expected, which is not unreasonable, especially if they need to buy specific materials. But I'd be very reluctant to do business with anyone who insists on full payment up front (including labour costs) for an exhaust system they haven't made yet.

Anyone who insists on full payment for a job and then says they can't do it to the agreed spec but refuses to give a refund is a very unscrupulous trader indeed. If that happened to me, I'd want to send the frighteners around to his place of business to extract a refund.

 

[Vince]

Reminds me of a certain alloy swingarm business many years ago. But he might be a one-man band, but at least communicate.

 

[Paul Marx]

Hmm ... That business with your exhaust is very bad. I reckon the lesson to be learned there is to not pay up-front for stuff you're getting made.

I've had stuff made by various businesses and have never been asked for full payment when placing the order. Occasionally a deposit will be expected, which is not unreasonable, especially if they need to buy specific materials. But I'd be very reluctant to do business with anyone who insists on full payment up front (including labour costs) for an exhaust system they haven't made yet.

Anyone who insists on full payment for a job and then says they can't do it to the agreed spec but refuses to give a refund is a very unscrupulous trader indeed. If that happened to me, I'd want to send the frighteners around to his place of business to extract a refund.

That's how Patrick Godet of Godet Vincent fame worked. The orders would pay for the build in progress of previous orders.

Paul

 

[Tippie]

If I recall there were pictures of the exhaust mounted on a bike apparently in use. It wasn't said that they were a work in progress.

 

[michipons]

Finally something under my control, I feel like I finished something that I don’t need to touch anymore except for paint. This one has seen several changes. It fills in the space of the old battery tray floor. And holds the kill switch , and is the lid for the carbon electrics tray under it. This one is printed in a blend of nylon 6 and 6.6. Low shrink, water doesn’t effect it, it can be painted normally. It was. 33 hour print, and came out perfect. It’s thin in places but you can see in photo 1 the stiffening that I designed into it , to keep it light and strong. I just knew we wouldn’t get the sharp edges I wanted with carbon for this job. It will be painted the same colour as the frame. I printed it in black and once before in grey , so I could see what’s best, the wife agrees, demands, that it’s the same colour as the frame, I agree.
Having the lid done let me finalise lengths on cables and let me crimp them , so I got through a bit today. Hopefully tomorrow the rest of the wiring will be done, so I can test all the circuits and them later next week bundle them all into a cohesive loom.

with my exhaust I paid for seeming a lost cause I’m not sure what to do now. I don’t want a 3 into 2. I don’t want anything modern, and I seriously have the shits with waiting on people to supply something I pay for up front . Especially if they can’t deliver on the agreed time. So Far Red and Darty are pretty much the only ones who delivered on time, and that’s from half way round the world...... elevates their legend status as far as I am concerned. Oh and the tire shop, that was a 24 hour delivery !

Normally I’m pretty positive , but now having waited over 4 months for my exhaust , and even if it turns up, it won’t be what I agreed to order, I’m pretty over it.

But you still have Malcolm jota pair? Don’t you? You can rebuild your (or mine) three downpipes, they will look and sound great also

 

[sideshow]

But you still have Malcolm jota pair? Don’t you? You can rebuild your (or mine) three downpipes, they will look and sound great also

I do have those , but they are not what I want for this bike. They are going on the 1200.
basically I need to one that I will use , on this bike for the engineers inspection Yuni as the bike will go on classic plates. I can’t change them later. Once it’s on those plates she is as she is.

 

[michipons]

I do have those , but they are not what I want for this bike. They are going on the 1200.
basically I need to one that I will use , on this bike for the engineers inspection Yuni as the bike will go on classic plates. I can’t change them later. Once it’s on those plates she is as she is.

In Spain we say that if you don’t have to change something before the inspection ITV, you are doing something wrong

 

[spondon]

Todd have you tried to call him, I did but he just blanked me....I have told him and he has been told by others who managed to contact him that I don't want his goods and to return my money....but nothing.......maybe some of the Italian members could intervene on our behalf....just a thought.... great work young man on the project

 

[sideshow]

Todd have you tried to call him, I did but he just blanked me....I have told him and he has been told by others who managed to contact him that I don't want his goods and to return my money....but nothing....he is a thief and that's it....maybe some of the Italian members could intervene on our behalf....just a thought.... great work young man on the project

Hi Mate. I have messaged him many times, and my friend from Verona has called him too. No luck. Tomorrow I will talk to the authorities in Italy and see what can be done. If Italy is the same as Spain, there is quite a good chance of getting money back through a small claims court. I know this can be painful, and I have learnt my lesson now , but he needs to learn a lesson too. It will waste his time more than mine. If you have an invoice pm me with it , I have an invoice and correspondence showing he would ship within 10 days. With the greatest respect to you , I think that’s all we need to say about this topic now. Especially no more in this thread.
I mainly answered your thread so people could see that we had both been ripped off. So they were fore warned not to use him.
I will let you know what happens from any processes I start.
And I will let you know of any new exhausts that I find! Clearly we both like the same thing.
Now I’m going back to wiring, or at least learning how to wire my bike as I do it !!

 

[The Sock]

Just a thought, Todd,...
You might get in touch with Jean-louis Olive to find if a copy of the system from his P12XX might suit your needs.

 

[sideshow]

Just a thought, Todd,...
You might get in touch with Jean-louis Olive to find if a copy of the system from his P12XX might suit your needs.View attachment 55664

Hi Mate

early on in the build I tried to get in contact with the company in the states that supplied all the hits for his exhaust. They weren’t interested.
the thing I liked about the one I ordered was it looked kind of old school. The headers and collector looked really good. And the welding looked excellent. That said I didn’t like the way Biaggio s muffler exited so low. I was going to modify it somewhat.
ive looked at the moto officina ones and they want 2500 euros for their system , which is ridiculous, and a few people also warned me of quality issues there. I just don’t want to go through the process of getting someone to build one here.
I will hunt something out for sure. But I have come a long way , I’m not going to change my project to put Jota pipes on, that just wouldn’t get me to where I want the bike to be.
Thanks very much for your idea to look at that bike though. It’s very kind of you to think of it.

 

[redax5]

I have three of these systems in stock

 

[redax5]

they were built by Laverda Corse in Italy, Piero's shop
we have modified the headers so they fit properly

 

[sideshow]

they were built by Laverda Corse in Italy, Piero's shop
we have modified the headers so they fit properly

Hi Red, thanks, I will message you via email

i will take one

cheers

 

[sideshow]

So all the machined bits turned up today. You can see the 3 d printed prototypes next to their respective machined buddy.
so i used grade 5 ti for the caliper adaptors up front. They weighed in at 289 grams each. If they were done in some sort of stainless they would have been 459 grams each or there about . Photo 4 is the rear brake torque arm, also in ti , 12mm od. Photo 5 is the bracket the torque arm attaches too, which in turn is held in place by the lower right hand rear engine mount bolt. , photo 6 is how the torque arm sits. , the brake hose may be re routed, I haven’t got that far yet. Photo 7 is the rear master cylinder bracket, its done in 7000 series Ali, and photos 8 and 9 are of it in place. These were just dry fits, now this weekend I will bead blast them to a Matt finish

im pretty stoked with how they have turned out , not bad for a bloke who ties knots in ropes for a living .

Im still carrying on with wiring, and still working out what to do exhaust wise. I have some headers , I think I will have a go at doing a collector and finding or having made a pipe. But we will see, certainly I’m not going the way of moto officina... 2500 for their system just doesn’t make sense , let’s see what I can magic up.

 

[Rob]

not bad for a bloke who ties knots in ropes for a living .

Pretty neat I'd say, Todd!

 

[Vince]

I once heard John Dillinger broke out of jail by carving a gun out of soap, he would need one of your printers now. Those bits are just so neat and tidy.

 

[chrisk]

Very nice indeed.